Namba Voting for Modification and Additions for Electric 1/8 Scale Unlimited Hydro"

[Steven Vaccaro]

Mike, easy fix on the batteries. Go down to your local sign store. Have a label printed that says what ever C you want. There's no provision in the rule set to verify a cell is actually correct. They are relying on the label.

Its sad that its come to this. I dont race that class, but it seems it worked well and didnt need changing.

[Darin Jordan]

Its sad that its come to this. I dont race that class, but it seems it worked well and didnt need changing.

But Steve, don't you know? New or Different is ALWAYS better!!

This change was completely unnecessary and will reduce participation, not increase it. But, whatever.

[Steven Vaccaro]

But Steve, don't you know? New or Different is ALWAYS better!!

This change was completely unnecessary and will reduce participation, not increase it. But, whatever.

I know all to well about change. After 59 years of the high school football game being on thanksgiving day, they polled a few people in town and changed it to the night before. YUK

[Doug Smock]

This appears to be just the beginning guys. Mr. Miller is looking to land on some additional limits for you. Everyone drove right past the IW link and the post Ken copied??

[T.S.Davis]

I saw it Doug. We got off on the scale tangent.

Lohring will likely get his way too. Peterson was right all along. A pocket of racers can dictate the rule set for everyone. These scale rules are a prime example.

NAMBA just doesn't have a check point like IMPBA does. IMPBA has a group of elected officials that look at a proposal and try to determine it's overall impact before it goes out to the membership. Keeps lunatics like myself in check. Call em like I see em.

[eric113]

you know what? next year I'm gonna buy a million dollars of giant power batteries, propose a rule that they are the only legal battery and I will give them away to every club that votes for my proposal. Who wouldn't vote for that!!! Oh BTW Giant power Batteries are all 70C so ur scale class will be illegal to run!!!! Just ask anyone who knows me I have the money and I will do it!!!!

https://www.mojoracingproducts.com/products/4s-14-8v-4-cell-6000-mah-45c-hi-performance-mojo-racing-battery-by-giant-power?variant=16351844739

[madmikepags]

The New Cells are all 70c that is the old label.

[madmikepags]

And you don't think that if I spend a million dollars I can't get a 70, 80 240c label put on there??????

[eric113]

The New Cells are all 70c that is the old label.

You have proof that?

[Ken Haines]

More International Waters Stuff....you really must view this link

http://www.intlwaters.com/index.php?showtopic=74695&page=2

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[quote name="Bill Brandt" post="725701" timestamp="1526408876"]
They do it with other sports.
Ive tried to explain my reasoning. If you dont like the result. Feel free to vote for change
I wish you all well. Im done on this thread.
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Wow....Bill you help make illegal and now obsolete a couple thousand of my FE Equipment and much more from many others and now the heat gets turned up a bit and you bail on conversation about it. You or the group responsible for the new 1/8th scale rule set barely if ever even travels to a National event. So knowing that this would affect a bunch of national racers must have not been thought about or even bothered anyone. Like I stated previously limiting power to an existing class really should have been done in the spirit of the P-Ltd method....maybe should have been a new class called 1/8th Scale Ltd. and then the effects and this backlash would not be occurring. Certainly some off us will be putting something down on paper and decide what should be done next. But likely it will be talked about plenty and a good solution would be reached before proceeding, just like should have been done before submitting these Scale rule changes.

As far as our NAMBA Safety Chairman (a Dentist by trade), please pull back on your current limit ideas. As you can tell by this thread you have really stirred the hornets nest and since it is not really a safety issue, just your vision of controlling the FE technology growth. I would urge you to reconsider your path. There are a core group of avid "Active" traveling racers that have a lot at stake here. Please let it go.
Thx,
Ken Haines
President / Wave Blasters of Florida (FE Club)

[eric113]

I think they did
-Up to 10s or 12s
-Get rid of the C rating (that always going to be changing with time)
-Get rid of the prop rule
-Come up with motor can size and max kv (motor mfg are coming and going)
Would that make people across the country happy?

[Ken Haines]

I think they did
-Up to 10s or 12s
-Get rid of the C rating (that always going to be changing with time)
-Get rid of the prop rule
-Come up with motor can size and max kv (motor mfg are coming and going)
Would that make people across the country happy?

Not sure some of us want any limits. Really the proposal should have been as stated above in my previous post....
a class called 1/8th Scale Limited ......Vs. Unlimited. Yes I understand Unlimited originally referred to the real Scale Boats,
but just the same, limiting a version of the class that apparently prefers the realism by control of the top speed, while not
affecting the other group with unlimited power that was actually growing recently in popularity. I myself just bought several with a bunch of other equipment.
In all our other FE classes except the P-Ltd we pretty much had this hull size only power restraint. This is why a bunch of us are pretty upset.

[madmikepags]

Yes I have proof, I am a sponsored giant power driver, and all the new cells i have all have the 70c label. Mr Zola who is the Giant power importer can chime in here.

[T.S.Davis]

You have proof that?

I believe Bob drags in some of the old cells for the NW guys. There will come a time where he can't get them though. When the cells aren't available any more I guess they'll stop running the class.

There ya go Mike. Just buy a bunch of labels from who ever printed the old labels. There is no requirement that they actually have to be 65c cells. They just need a label that says 65c. Nobody that actually wrote that rule has any idea how to prove that a cell is actually 65c. Heck, I don't and I've been doing this for eons.

Anything that can't be verified on site through a technical inspection can't be a rule. This is the same way that we blew it when we proposed limited all those years ago. We were ignorant. As is this new rule set. Limited floated for a long time because we were ALL ignorant. Ignorance was bliss.

Ken, we never had the numbers to make it work but if years ago we had gone with a "vintage" class on 8s and a "modern" class on 10s it might have made sense. Hind sight.

I mentioned this somewhere else. The real hydros started off shovel nose, round nose, maybe a chisel on piston power. There were other types before but for most of RC that's what what we think of. Those early boats were only capable of running X mph. The boats evolved and the modern turbine boat runs 1.5X mph.....ish. When we try to emulate these real life boats with scale versions we make the power available to a modern boat equal to the power available to an old style shovel nose. We know the shovel was never designed for the speeds of a turbine. Otherwise they would still be racing them......only with turbines under the hood.

[raptor347]

Sounds like Dinogy and GiantPower need to build some NAMBA 1/8th scale spec batteries.