POLL: Who here is a member of IMPBA or NAMBA

[Darin Jordan]

Darin, a complete overhaul? Really? Your right about one thing. You'll never get support for a do over. How do you know when your done? When attendance reaches "X" at the NATS? When people stop saying things like "the rules need a complete overhaul"? Not gonna happen.

YES Terry, a complete overhaul... I didn't say throw out the book and start over, by the way... I said an "overhaul"... you know... pull the engine out... have things cleaned up and machined, then put it back together with some new gaskets and expendable parts... perhaps with some attention to detail and a little porting here, and gasket matching there...

• LSH/LSO are toast...
• Crackerbox??? ECO???
• The Power classing structure is completely outdated. There are WAY too many power classes, originally based on the idea of cell count.
• There needs to be a CAT hull-type added as a class (like Nitro and Gas)
• TRY building a NAMBA legal P-OPC Tunnel... I dare you! (I am particularly fond of the part where it says that any rule pertaining to a legal Nitro OPC must NOT apply to an FE OPC... )
• The battery rules/limits need to be revised to better fit what people are doing. (For example: get rid of the stupid paralleling limits... which keep otherwise perfectly acceptable battery combos from being used... like a 4000mah pack made up of paralleled 1000mah cells, etc.. it's a rediculous, non-sense rule)
• P-Spec style power class update???

Ya... I'd say some major items need to be addressed... I'm sure if I got my book back out I could find many, many more detailed items that need to be addressed.


HOWEVER, it doesn't really matter, because even small, more focused updates... which would be meant solely to FIX things in the book, are meet with exactly this kind of negative, sticking your head in the sand reaction... and we go on letting the individual events and CDs decide what actually is and isn't allowed...

[sailr]

Doug!
Cut it out! I said in my post "Please correct me if I'm wrong"! One of the members here graciously pointed me to where the updated rules are and I thanked him. Why couldn't you have done the same instead of jumping on me! I don't need your constant bashing! I WROTE SEVERAL PROPOSALS FOR HERB TO SUBMIT! He just couldn't put it in the words so I helped him out. I'm not a member of IMPBA so I don't vote. Get it? Even though not a member, I helped out the district director whether you want to believe that or not. I'm in NAMBA basically for the same reason you're in IMPBA, but you have been on my case for anything and everything for a couple of months now and accusing me of things you know nothing about. Get off my case! PEACE!

If you want to take this further, we need to do it in PM, NOT HERE!

Yeah then you have the guy who says he spent hours helping a Dist, director, comes on here bashing the org., and has absolutly NO IDEA what the rules are. Why, because it's easier to bitch and complain than it is to get involed and oh I don't know, read, or write a proposal,or perhaps just vote . Give me a break.

If you don't vote, at the very least, a you don't have an opinion and should as far as I'm concerned.

Off of the soapbox.
BTW I'm IMPBA because that what we have here. If it were NAMBA country, I'd be a NAMBA member and just as involved.

Have a great day fellas!!!
Doug

[sailr]

Darin,
Great post! You are absolutely right on all of your points. I'm like you though, I don't need the 'punishment' dished out when just trying to improve or 'overhaul', as you said, the rules. Been there, done that, and STILL getting flack! I would really like to see the classes you mention, crackerbox, ECO, Cat hull, etc.

Thanks for your input!

YES Terry, a complete overhaul... I didn't say throw out the book and start over, by the way... I said an "overhaul"... you know... pull the engine out... have things cleaned up and machined, then put it back together with some new gaskets and expendable parts... perhaps with some attention to detail and a little porting here, and gasket matching there...

• LSH/LSO are toast...
• Crackerbox??? ECO???
• The Power classing structure is completely outdated. There are WAY too many power classes, originally based on the idea of cell count.
• There needs to be a CAT hull-type added as a class (like Nitro and Gas)
• TRY building a NAMBA legal P-OPC Tunnel... I dare you! (I am particularly fond of the part where it says that any rule pertaining to a legal Nitro OPC must NOT apply to an FE OPC... )
• The battery rules/limits need to be revised to better fit what people are doing. (For example: get rid of the stupid paralleling limits... which keep otherwise perfectly acceptable battery combos from being used... like a 4000mah pack made up of paralleled 1000mah cells, etc.. it's a rediculous, non-sense rule)
• P-Spec style power class update???

Ya... I'd say some major items need to be addressed... I'm sure if I got my book back out I could find many, many more detailed items that need to be addressed.


HOWEVER, it doesn't really matter, because even small, more focused updates... which would be meant solely to FIX things in the book, are meet with exactly this kind of negative, sticking your head in the sand reaction... and we go on letting the individual events and CDs decide what actually is and isn't allowed...

[sailr]

Exactly! Thanks.

I think... and this from what I understand goes for both orgs

You have to be a member of either NAMBA or IMPBA to qualify for the 10 dollar race fee if you race out side of NAMBA or IMPBA..

Hum.. that’s hard to qualify..

Lets see..

To race for the 10 dollar fee in a IMPBA event you must be a current member of NAMBA.. of vice a versa..

Still not sure that came out right..

Grim

[T.S.Davis]

Have at it Darin.

I mentioned before. I wont be involved in any rule proposals.

[Darin Jordan]

crackerbox, ECO, Cat hull, etc.

Thanks for your input!

Crackerbox and ECO are already there... but neither really in a form that anyone wants to run...

Now, if you revised Crackerbox to be 1/10th scale sized boats (about 30", right?) using the P-Spec power system...

Not sure about ECO, but it seems that, if you are going to retain it, that you'd want to make it more in line with our European counterparts, so their equipment would be directly compatible...

Sorry.... I know that all makes just TOO much sense to even consider... but it's what I think would work well...

[Darin Jordan]

Have at it Darin.

I mentioned before. I wont be involved in any rule proposals.

No, but you've made it pretty clear that you'll be involved in fighting ("will not support" ) them...

[sailr]

I know crackerbox and eco are already there. Not sure why eco is dead. Running the Naviga triangle course on 3S lipo is a blast and lots of nice boats available that are not that expensive and they are easy to drive. Now with brushless, they are quick little devils and the self-righting hulls add another dimension of fun. Perfect intro for new boaters. The 'dead boat' (?) rule that applies even to self righting boats is just plain stupid and takes the fun out of it.

I'd LOVE to see P SPEC Crackerbox! That would be a hoot. Not sure anyone is making a 30" crackerbox though. Anyone know?

Crackerbox and ECO are already there... but neither really in a form that anyone wants to run...

Now, if you revised Crackerbox to be 1/10th scale sized boats (about 30", right?) using the P-Spec power system...

Not sure about ECO, but it seems that, if you are going to retain it, that you'd want to make it more in line with our European counterparts, so their equipment would be directly compatible...

Sorry.... I know that all makes just TOO much sense to even consider... but it's what I think would work well...

[Darin Jordan]

I know crackerbox and eco are already there. Not sure why eco is dead.

ECO rules currently limit you to a 19T ROAR Super Stock brushed motor...

And Crackerbox currently is limited to N1 power rules, I believe, which would be 27T brushed or 17.5 ROAR Stock BL...

[Darin Jordan]

Not sure anyone is making a 30" crackerbox though. Anyone know?

And... there'in is another issue... equipment makers never know what the heck to focus on, because classes change around so quickly... Maybe with so many clubs adopting the P-Spec classing ideas, this will change... as hull makes design/build boats to fit into this power level.

[sailr]

Yep! That's a killer. Gotta move 'em into the brushless realm.

ECO rules currently limit you to a 19T ROAR Super Stock brushed motor...

And Crackerbox currently is limited to N1 power rules, I believe, which would be 27T brushed or 17.5 ROAR Stock BL...

[T.S.Davis]

What the heck do you need my support for?

See, I've done this dance with the rules a bunch of times now. Been accused of all kinds of motivation for it too. I know that before the ink dries there will a be a new technology that renders the new and improved rule set pointless. LSO is a prime example. The ink wasn't even dry before clubs stopped running 700 motors.

ECO died because nobody wanted to do it. I don't know why it didn't take off here like it did over seas. Maybe us Americans need too much flash and bling to hold our attention. We aren't the most soffisticated people. haha

[sailr]

Man you've got that right! P SPEC Sport Hydro could certainly use some more hulls. The Pickle is great but too small. The UL-1 is good but the quality of the hull could be improved. I haven't seen the new improved one so maybe that's not fair. We need some more good 28-32" glass hydro hulls! There are a couple of top secret ones being designed. Can't elaborate. They will be U.S. hulls, not Chinese, etc.

And... there'in is another issue... equipment makers never know what the heck to focus on, because classes change around so quickly... Maybe with so many clubs adopting the P-Spec classing ideas, this will change... as hull makes design/build boats to fit into this power level.

[T.S.Davis]

And... there'in is another issue... equipment makers never know what the heck to focus on, because classes change around so quickly...

Well, the fix for that would surely be to..........change the rules. Is anyone following this logic?

[sailr]

I think you have hit on the reason. Hardly anyone wants to run brushed motors, NiMh batteries, etc. anymore with the advent of brushless and lipos. So long as you can't run brushless in the class it's not going to have a lot of support.

What the heck do you need my support for?

See, I've done this dance with the rules a bunch of times now. Been accused of all kinds of motivation for it too. I know that before the ink dries there will a be a new technology that renders the new and improved rule set pointless. LSO is a prime example. The ink wasn't even dry before clubs stopped running 700 motors.

ECO died because nobody wanted to do it. I don't know why it didn't take off here like it did over seas. Maybe us Americans need too much flash and bling to hold our attention. We aren't the most soffisticated people. haha