POLL: Who here is a member of IMPBA or NAMBA

[Ub Hauled]

Darin, there is another side to that theory,
power levels augment all the time, how are you going to deal with that?
With more power one needs bigger hulls or kick the older larger motors out...
these bigger honkers are usually expensive and if the newer tech replaces it,
one is going to have a very expensive paper weight.
What are your thoughts?

[Darin Jordan]

Well, the fix for that would surely be to..........change the rules. Is anyone following this logic?

Terry.... did I say anything about "changing" the rules in regards to this??? Don't think so...

The fact of the matter is that people are not RUNNING what is in the rules currently... Each club has it's own hybrid that somewhat loosely fits what may or may not be in the rulebook... As a result, builders build stuff in small quantities, for different pockets of the country or for their local clubs... And when we decide we might want to have a "big" event (Winter Warmups, etc.)... there has to be weeks of discussion to agree on what will and won't be legal for the classes being run...

If you can't count on a class being there, it's not hard to see why people won't be developing anything more than one-off equipment for it...

It's not that hard to understand...

[Darin Jordan]

Darin, there is another side to that theory,
power levels augment all the time, how are you going to deal with that?
With more power one needs bigger hulls or kick the older larger motors out...
these bigger honkers are usually expensive and if the newer tech replaces it,
one is going to have a very expensive paper weight.
What are your thoughts?

That's already been taken care of with the length restrictions... in my opinion... If you can make that power work in the limited hull size, more power to you, so to speak...

We've already seen this in P-Mono for example... Guys running 1527s in a 33" hull... Yah, they are FAST... but they aren't finishing races... at least not anymore competitively. Meanwhile, Tyler is setting new P-Mono records, using the same 33" boat, with a 1521 sized motor... and doing it in blisteringly fast fashion... Making it work with less power... I'll leave it up to the individual to decide how they want to spend their money... they're only going to be able to lay down so much power within the hull size limits...

That's my take on it anyhow...

Of course, if it were up to me, I'd reduce the number of power classes down to just a few levels... maybe

Up to 2S - Open
Up to 4S - Spec
Up to 4S - Open
Up to 10S - Open

With the hull types Mono, Cat, Hydro, Sport Hydro, OPC Tunnel, and the additional grouping of Offshore (one class for each power level), can anyone honestly tell me that NAMBA would somehow be better off with MORE classes than that???

Just thinking "out loud"...

[chuckc]

No, but you've made it pretty clear that you'll be involved in fighting ("will not support" ) them...

Meow, or is that a growl again between u 2

[Ub Hauled]

Darin, I understand your take on it, you have been consistently explaining your POV.
I guess I was not clear or don't understand the "why" of your few classes...
something has got to give... if not the length of hulls, then the motors. Let's say you get your wish granted, and we get your classes.... there will be only a hand full of motors that will needed to be produced for boats, the fact that your classes are "UP TO" may not help since people want the max speed out of the 4s...

[LuckyDuc]

I would be happy to see more FE classes period. Here in IMPBA District 4 there are none. I would be tickled pink just to see 1 electric class on the IMPBA race schedule. What ever rule changes that may come down, I hope it makes FE racing more accepted in my area.

My NAMBA club sets their own rules for race meets because the NAMBA rules are "out dated."

Any rules that get people to be more accepting of FE racing is OK with me. That should be the #1 goal of any rule change for FE... Easier acceptance to further it's growth.

[Doug Smock]

If you want to take this further, we need to do it in PM, NOT HERE!

Jim you asked me not to contact you a month or so ago remember?
If that has changed please send me a PM.

Thank you for clearing things up!!

Doug

[Doug Smock]

I would be happy to see more FE classes period. Here in IMPBA District 4 there are none. I would be tickled pink just to see 1 electric class on the IMPBA race schedule. What ever rule changes that may come down, I hope it makes FE racing more accepted in my area.

My NAMBA club sets their own rules for race meets because the NAMBA rules are "out dated."

Any rules that get people to be more accepting of FE racing is OK with me. That should be the #1 goal of any rule change for FE... Easier acceptance to further it's growth.

YOU can make it happen.
Three years ago there wasn't any FE oval racing in D-13. Now there are four FE classes in the Grand Prix series not including the open classes.
Talk to the president of your local club, see what you can work out.
Let me know if I can help.
Doug

[Darin Jordan]

the fact that your classes are "UP TO" may not help since people want the max speed out of the 4s...

Jan... I disagree with this assessment... this assumes there is only one way to get things done. This is clearly not the case... Putting together a working package is the key...

For example... someone could easily put together a package based on a Scorpian outrunner that works on 3S instead of 4S... Would have tons of torque... put it in a matching hull, and go just as fast... VOLTAGE doesn't make speed... it just makes RPMs happen... with so many motor choices and KV options, the combinations are endless...

[sailr]

Let's just leave it here.

Jim you asked me not to contact you a month or so ago remember?
If that has changed please send me a PM.

Thank you for clearing things up!!

Doug

[highndry]

NAMBA. So I can run in backyard with other 1:1 boating activity and still be covered. That also applies to anyone who runs here as long as they are covered. IMPBA does not offer the same coverage. I have a legal opinion on that issue.

[LuckyDuc]

YOU can make it happen.
Three years ago there wasn't any FE oval racing in D-13. Now there are four FE classes in the Grand Prix series not including the open classes.
Talk to the president of your local club, see what you can work out.
Let me know if I can help.
Doug

It’s a slow process. I have been working hard towards that end though. Mike Z has helped considerably by bringing 4 x UL-1s to the District Championship here, and allowing the nitro guys to race them in a demo class. That sparked some FE interest amongst the nitro guys in my club. Nitro Sport 20 is a very popular class here, so there were pletty of drivers wanting to run them

For my IMPBA club, which has no FE classes, I intend to push hard for P-Spec hydro (LSH)… “sport 20” in nitro lingo.

If I had my way, I would also push to have a FE P-mono and tunnel class as well, but I think that is wishful thinking for one year’s progress.

These hull sizes seem to be very popular amongst the nitro crowd in my district... As such, I believe that they would make the best FE classes to gain in popularity/acceptance. Your mileage may vary by district

For my NAMBA club. I would like to be able to run multiple 4s lipos in parallel for more mAhs. It sucks only being able able to run 4S2P

[highndry]

And yes, NAMBA's coverage is in effect any time you are running, not merely at sanctioned events. This includes practice running or unsanctioned club or fun events. Of course, coverage would probably not be valid if you are blatantly breaking one of the NAMBA safety regulations, such as operating a boat while swimmers are in the water, or consuming alcoholic beverages or illegal drugs while running a boat. In addition, NAMBA insurance does not cover you when you are participating in a sanctioned event of any other organization which has its own insurance coverage, whether primary or secondary. So make sure that you are confident that the coverage provided by the sanctioning organization is sufficient to protect you during that event, as you will not be able to rely on your NAMBA insurance if it is not.

[highndry]

All members in good standing will be covered at “sponsored, scheduled, and supervised activities.” This means the coverage is good at sanctioned and club races. IMPBA insurance does cover boaters during open water and practice sessions as long as you are following the safety procedures outlined through the IMPBA, and such events take place on an IMPBA insured body of water only. IMPBA’ s policy is considered a primary policy and would cover any accidents or property damage that may occur on an IMPBA insured body of water.

[Bill-SOCAL]

NAMBA Insurance: http://www.namba.com/content/insurance.asp

NAMBA Safety Rules: http://www.namba.com/content/library...egulations.pdf