POLL: Who here is a member of IMPBA or NAMBA

[Darin Jordan]

...but I just have a hard time believing that most hull and other equipment makers really care what they are.

I've been working directly with ProBoat all year... I can tell you with no question, that making stuff that racers care about IS important to them... or is becoming MORE important to them as I work with them...

If they can make something that will appeal to both (like the UL1, and the recent ProBoat HyperSport 48), then they will sell more product. TS-2s, VS-1s, etc... are all "Sport Boats"... I'm sure they sell more to sport boaters than to Racers... and yet, look at what's been done with them...

Its it really so hard to understand???

[Darin Jordan]

bahaha Exactly my point Bill. I have this mental image of Remy at Aeromarine sitting biting his nails......."ohhhh, what am I gonna do?"

It absolutely freaking amazes me how some of you guys find the most MINOR part of a point being made, and focus on it like it's the whole arguement...


Mike illustrates my point exactly on that ONE part of the picture I was painting... thanks Mike.

[sailr]

I can't speak for Mike but I saw a huge surge in people actually racing when the UL-1 came out. GREAT entry level boat with good driving characteristics and respectable speed. For me, it's the most fun class on the water.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Mike - Do you have any sense of how many boats you sell to racers versus sport runners? How many people who buy Aquacraft boats are really tuned into the racing scene?

My sense is that the overwhelming majority of FE folks are sport boaters and could care less about the "rules", be they IMPBA or NAMBA.

Hence the 6S SV27 and so on. And I am not saying taht the rules are not worth thinking about, but I just have a hard time believing that most hull and other equipment makers really care what they are.

[Grimracer]

I am...

here is why..

I know that if I can fit boats into organized racing im going to get great "Expert" product support from the forums..

The product is going race hard and knowing that its going to....yep.. play hard too.

I like to "if we can fit it in and it makes since" trickle boats from performance TO play.. some boats are play boats.. Rio EP, Mini Thunder and so on... some are not.. VS-1

I have BOTH rule books AT MY DESK and use them more then you might think..

ROCK ON.

Grim

[T.S.Davis]

bahaha Exactly my point Bill. I have this mental image of Remy at Aeromarine sitting biting his nails......."ohhhh, what am I gonna do?"

[Bill-SOCAL]

Darin, what manufacturers are holding off on production because they don't know what the rules are going to be?

Actually, I'd like to know who all these "manufacturers" are who are being influenced.

There is Randy at BBY of course, but who else? Delta Force? Aeromarine? MHz? Who? And really, does anyone think that DF in China gives a rat's behind what the competition rules are in the US that cover what only 20 to 25 people (NATS participation the last couple of years) are doing??

I mean really, who actually thinks that any of these folks are watching the NAMBA or IMPBA FE rules and wringing their hands wondering what new rules are going to be passed and what type of boat they should make next and in what size/power configuration?

[T.S.Davis]

Darin, what manufacturers are holding off on production because they don't know what the rules are going to be? That's the arguement for length restrictions. I wish I had your connections.

1/8 scale? I just got done hosting the nats. There were no 6s boats. I didn't see any 8s boats either.

Doesn't matter. You can all expect yet another new proposal for FE in the spring. As there is every spring. Should we expect proposals for both organization or just one?

Has anyone run for US1 at the IMPBA FE nationals yet? How'd that go?

[LiPo Power]

START OUR OWN FE ORGANIZATION.....period.

NAFERO

North American Fast Electric Racing Organization

Then we could have specialty "nitro" and "gas" classes.

Sign me in DOBY...

[Darin Jordan]

Kind of on to[ic here. I seem to remember SSH/LSH what ever it's deemed was limited to 27" (I think) hulls. When my club was packing up for this years Nats that rule seemed to disapear. Was it just a misread type thing or was it changed? Seem to remember it was a little bit of a hot topic when the UL-1 busted into the scene.

LSH has always had a MINIMUM hull lenth, but no maximum... I think it's maximum may now be the P-Limit of 34", but I'd have to go back and read the rules...

Inconsequential, really, since the "LSH" run at the Nats wasn't an LSH that was in the current rules.... they were basically restricted motor P-Sport boats... which would be limited to 34"...

[Darin Jordan]

my point was, people will go with the largest reserve of power and tap what they need out of that, I am yet to see someone race with something less then maximum voltage allowed.

This is simply not the case... In "up to 2S" and "Up to 4S" setups, sure, most would likely just go with the max voltage... why wouldn't you in that case? It's simpler...

But if you look at what is done in larger setups...., like 1/8th scales as an example... some run 6S or 8S and 2P, while others choose to run 10S1P. All of them can compete.

Steven V. just told us a few days ago about his 3S setups...

It's all in the package.

And all of this is still elementary, because you are restricted as to the size of the hull you can run, so there is a practical limit to how much power you can put into it... Too much, or some "in reserve", really won't change the balance of competition. Those with the most racable setups and driving skill will still be on top in the end.

But... back to your original statement about there being "only a handful of motors" for a given class... WHY would this be true in "my" set of classes, but not true already today? In the 2S and 4S classes, nothing much has changed.... In the "up to 10S" classes, I don't see this being the case at all, since you have so many different combos that will give you the same amount of power... The motor combos are endless...

[teach]

Kind of on to[ic here. I seem to remember SSH/LSH what ever it's deemed was limited to 27" (I think) hulls. When my club was packing up for this years Nats that rule seemed to disapear. Was it just a misread type thing or was it changed? Seem to remember it was a little bit of a hot topic when the UL-1 busted into the scene.

[Ub Hauled]

Jan... I disagree with this assessment... this assumes there is only one way to get things done. This is clearly not the case... Putting together a working package is the key...

Sorry, what I meant to say was that was the most likely way for things to be done, other ways are also possible, that's pretty obvious, gimme some credit here.

For example... someone could easily put together a package based on a Scorpian outrunner that works on 3S instead of 4S... Would have tons of torque... put it in a matching hull, and go just as fast... VOLTAGE doesn't make speed... it just makes RPMs happen... with so many motor choices and KV options, the combinations are endless...[/QUOTE]

Voltage will give you raw power, what you do with it is your deal... my point was, people will go with the largest reserve of power and tap what they need out of that, I am yet to see someone race with something less then maximum voltage allowed.
I do understand that you are a innovative guy and think outside of the box, but I am having a hard time visualizing what you are seeing in your head, that's all.

[LuckyDuc]

I guessed you missed the point. The post I responded to indicated that NAMBA only allows 4S1P, which is not true. 4S2P or 10S2P are just fine. But 2P is the limit, beats me why, but that is the way it is right now!

I errored in my previous post by saying 4S1P limit.
I should have stated that my NAMBA club doesn't allow me to run 3 x 2200mAh 4s packs in parallel. I would like to do this for cost reasons... I can get Flightpower 4s 220omah packs for $23 each ($69 for 3) and parallel them for 6600mAh 4S on the cheap. I have a butt load of 2200mah 4S packs. Why shouldn't I be able to use them as a 4S3P setup?
I think that you should be able to parallel more than 2 packs in the 4S classes for the reason above.

Again sorry for saying 4S1P

[Bill-SOCAL]

Well... there is, actually... you are limited to 2P... which is useless and silly in my opinion...

I guessed you missed the point. The post I responded to indicated that NAMBA only allows 4S1P, which is not true. 4S2P or 10S2P are just fine. But 2P is the limit, beats me why, but that is the way it is right now!