P-Limited Motors - Im going to jump on the hot seat.

[dethow]

rayzor


Ray - you keep saying this. Do you have some data you could post. This conflicts with our WI. data, conflicts with what QuiteLee reported on post 177 and again with what Greg Schweers had found and posted. Again the TP is not my motor. It was an option we found to work and kept P-Limited alive in IMPBA D4 for 2015. Otherwise the 2030 killed racing in our parts.

Here again is the WI data:

http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...268#post595268

Doug, can I ask why the 2030 killed racing in your parts?

[Darin Jordan]

"Old Technology "? "Outdated "? Your opinion. Far from fact. Same tech, different dimensions, compared to your 40mm preferences.

We want to do this because that's how P-LTD works. That's the class. Bigger, more powerful power systems race in P-Open. We want to maintain the current levels of performance.

Classes have rules and limitations. These are P-LTD's. We don't want to blow that up. That's just how it is. Not sure how much clearer we can put it.

[Darin Jordan]

Doug, can I ask why the 2030 killed racing in your parts?

Oh Goodness! Doug Please don't! Not again. Take it offline. This is totally off topic, and frankly we don't need to go over this again.

[zooma]

again not trying to bust your balls..but if your club is only getting 30 to 45mph out of limited as you say..i say you need to check your setups..i have seen terrys boats above 45 easy..my slowest limited boat is my mono..and its easily over 45mph..i have seen many lsh almost 60mphmid to upper 50s easily..even at nats this year..with sticky hot water, propped down quite a bit..and were still in 50s in lsh..and cat was right at 50..mono was prob right around 42 44..thats down 3mm prop size from what we run in heat in az..im really looking fwd to nats next year in nice cool water in washington

Balls are intact. However I started another thread in the hopes of getting some genuinely useful advice.

http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...ed-race-speeds

[dethow]

"Old Technology "? "Outdated "? Your opinion. Far from fact. Same tech, different dimensions, compared to your 40mm preferences.

We want to do this because that's how P-LTD works. That's the class. Bigger, more powerful power systems race in P-Open. We want to maintain the current levels of performance.

Classes have rules and limitations. These are P-LTD's. We don't want to blow that up. That's just how it is. Not sure how much clearer we can put it.

Okay... I get the point.

No more power... match current levels of performance... no changes... leave P-Limited alone... and don't talk about current issues a club had with existing motors...

[dethow]

"Old Technology "? "Outdated "? Your opinion. Far from fact. Same tech, different dimensions, compared to your 40mm preferences.

Just to be clear... when I'm talking about "Old Technology" and "Outdated", I'm referring to the current AQs. It's a vastly shared opinion that one of the weakest points on those motors are the lead wires and breakdown of the thin wrap on them. Most of the more modern motors don't seem to have the same potential issue as their wires appear beefier and better protected.
It's my untested opinion, but it would seem to be logical that if a weak point of those existing motors is taken out of the picture then the new motors may be able to handle more load and thus have an advantage over the existing. I may be totally wrong but I think if correct a lot of people are going to be upset that some are running 46 to 47mm props on there new TP motors while their existing AQ can only handle a 45mm without burning up.

So if that theory proves correct then most will migrate to the new top pick of TP power, thus eliminating AQ from the equation. So why are we considering being completely equal with these existing motors. This ISN'T a 40mm push!!! I'm asking this about other 36mm motors that if proposed could actually be a good improvement over the existing in both performance and reliability.

[GixerGuy1978]

if you don't think we could burn up a 40mm motor you are highly mistaken..people will puch limits of any motor approved no matter what size..i for one love the speed and challenge of getting it out of smaller motors and in the limited speed..yes i have p boats..i like the limited speed..yes its the biggest classes out there..why change that..look at the car side of rc..they have size..and turn limits for stock..and it is by far the most competitive and biggest class..yes people are always trying to get more..and end up burning up stuff..thats the fun part,,doing everything to get them working the best..its a lot easier to go fast in p..because of the power..in limited..u need your setup and everything else working in top tier to be quick..that is the aspect i love..i would rather work on my boat setups and everything else to have a quick boat..and stable..thats a challenge..not saying p power isn't..but way easy to over power a p setup..if you like the 40mm size..then y all means run p..as for myself..and the others that swarm this class we are trying to get a few motors to help keep the class going..enough of my rant..hope to see you at a race soon

(Rayzerdesigns) EXACTLY my thoughts!!!

And David (Dethow), we need to REALLY think about, and not forget about, what is already the majority currently out there. We can not dismiss those guys and there setups.....please try to keep that in mind.....

[Jeff]

Oh Goodness! Doug Please don't! Not again. Take it offline. This is totally off topic, and frankly we don't need to go over this again.

Darin, Doug is only responding to Ray's claim about a TP motor in another district in another organization.
If you think this forum is only for your opinions and no one elses, you should start your own.

If there is nothing wrong with the Aquacraft 2030 motor, why does this thread even exist? I know you won't anser this question but choose to arque about everything else I posted, Oh well.

[Doby]

Really Jeff??

[Jeff]

Really Jeff??

Doby, you have tested this motor and given your actual results, I remember it was only a couple miles an hour faster. Do you agree with Ray saying it is way faster? So much faster that Darin agrees with it with out even testing one? Please indeed.

[Doby]

Yeah, about 1-2 Mph faster if I remember correctly...so what.

I was commenting on your post about this forum only being for Darin's opinions.

Pathetic...you never seem to be happy about anything...born to complain I suppose.

This thread is the first serious look at viable motor options for the class. You guys in Cheese land should be having wet dreams right about now as what you want to happen is actually happening...opening it up to more motor options. Yet even with "Doug's" motor being at the top of the potential list, you continue to complain. Does anything make you happy?

Pathetic, childish....maybe Pappa Peterson needs to discipline his kids better..

[Ken Haines]

ok guys..and gals..p limited is where it is..if we cant decide to stay within the limits of where we are..then why even try..i like the ideas of a couple motors..no..not 40mm..p limited does not need to be any faster..if you don't like the class or want to change it..why are you here trying to make your own set of rules?? this started last year..i wont state names..but he went his own direction..and that did nothing but decline racing..and if you truly want to know..im ok with current selection..a lot aren't so we are discussing a bigger motor..plain and simple..we are trying to find a few motors that are comparable to what is approved now..not faster or bigger..period..and im not trying to single you out dethow..but this is what we are trying to figure out..will p limited die off..maybe..but there are many boats and people that love this class the way it is..if you don't...don't race it..again..there has been some testing of petersons tp motor he wanted so bad..but I will tell you right now that motor is way faster than a 2030..prop to prop..boat to boat..not to mention you can prop it up..we either need to keep the current list..or add a few more that are of equal performance..period..or like darin said..leave it as it is..we are trying to be proactive in new motors..not trying to make class faster and have to many restrictions..being prop..speedo or whatever..again I will say I like the idea of tuning props and setups to get the most out of my limted boats..maybe we need to just see on here who wants to keep list the way it is..or add a few comparable ones..from sound of this thread..its to include a coule more motors..not faster...but comparable..and that can be done with testing..and seeing where it goes

Great points....well said

[Darin Jordan]

Yeah, Really Jeff.

Seems everyone 's opinions are being heard and considered here, especially when the are on topic.

If you or Doug want to once again air out your anti-NAMBA, anti-Aquacraft 2030, and anti-Darin BS, why don't YOU start a new thread or your own forum.

This thread exists to address the SUPPLY issue, and to see what might be done to continue the P-LTD power specification, in case you missed that.

Good Grief, you guys don't even race with NAMBA. Why do you even care?

[dethow]

(Rayzerdesigns) EXACTLY my thoughts!!!

And David (Dethow), we need to REALLY think about, and not forget about, what is already the majority currently out there. We can not dismiss those guys and there setups.....please try to keep that in mind.....

I get that, I really do. I just think that a few of the final choices will end up being superior to the existing ones and the majority currently out there will want to make a change/upgrade. So if the end result is them upgrading anyway... could we consider a descent upgrade. And again I'm not pushing 40mm. I'm saying that even if the TP3630 and others have a slight advantage over AQ, we should put them on the list. Let's not set the AQ 1800 or 2030 (or the Dynamite 1500) as the top bar that we're not allowed to exceed because we have to consider the ones already out there.

[dethow]

I get that, I really do. I just think that a few of the final choices will end up being superior to the existing ones and the majority currently out there will want to make a change/upgrade. So if the end result is them upgrading anyway... could we consider a descent upgrade. And again I'm not pushing 40mm. I'm saying that even if the TP3630 and others have a slight advantage over AQ, we should put them on the list. Let's not set the AQ 1800 or 2030 (or the Dynamite 1500) as the top bar that we're not allowed to exceed because we have to consider the ones already out there.

I'm really trying to reel it back in here and I'm sorry to those I offended with my 40mm motor talk. I am a team player and just want what's best to continue and promote both this hobby and NAMBA.