Turbine scales

[jaike5]

When you over ride the rules with a race flyer and there is no issues its all good, until an accident claim is put forth. Then you can quote doby and say its in freedictionary.com while they rip you a new cavity. Words and where they are placed in a sentence can change the meaning of a paragraph or sections in that paragraph, this is what lawyers do.

doby is not a Canadian, please don't judge the rest of our country by him !!

Cheers, Jay.

[Doug Smock]

Sometimes it's like trying to pee up a rope.

[T.S.Davis]

Jay, your missunderstanding. Or maybe I was missleading.

Open classes can be a combination of "classes".

The problem really is that the NAMBA rule book has a section that tells us that if you violate the safety rules you are not covered by does not say that all boats must fit a class or they are not covered.

I'm told that it's obviously that way and common sense. It's a lawyer slam dunk when something goes wrong but there is no budging on it. The rule book won't be updated to include this simple line of text.

[Jeff]

Gee Todd, I wonder if a boy scout showed up with a rubber band powered boat the hysteria card would be played equally because it isn't a legal power source? Rules they say... so if a guy shows up at the pond with a 34 inch mono on 4s you are going to tell him he can't run it, it is illegal and he needs to put 6s into it before he can run it on the water?

[PatrickM]

How on earth do the Germans get the insurance coverage to run their turbines? I understand the gos and no goes of the insurance battles, whats covered and whats not.

The German legal system doesn't work the same way as the systems in the US or Oz.

As an example, Bernie Ecclestone of Formula 1 just bought his way out of a bribery case.... he paid a cool $100 million to the German government and was allowed to walk without admitting guilt. The guy who accepted the bribe pled guilty, was fined and did time.

I don't know know how their insurance system is set up, but I'd be willing to bet that their attorneys are not as lawsuit happy as the US ambulance chasers. Maybe massive liability policies are simply not required.

[keithbradley]

Who is making all of these insurance claims and why are all these lawyers getting involved? Are we talking about things that have actually happened or just speculating?
If you do something that is specifically not covered under an insurance policy, you're just not covered. That's it. I don't understand why some of you are trying to make this out to be more than it is. Unless you are committing some type of insurance FRAUD, it's a fairly straight-forward process.

I also will go as far as to say "turn in your NAMBA card if you want to run that boat" is ridiculous. If insurance doesn't cover running turbine powered craft (which is only speculation at this point), the OP simply would not be covered when running it on his own time. To suggest that would put a club or organization in any sort of jeopardy is silly. My health insurance doesn't cover suicide attempts. That doesn't mean that if I attempt suicide, everyone in my workplace will lose coverage. It just means they wouldn't cover my bills.

Insurance companies will insure you for ONE REASON. Because it's a money-making venture. When they believe that it's not, they won't insure you any more.
The only way that you could make a case about possibly losing insurance if someone ran a turbine would be if they ARE covered. If they're not covered, there's nothing for the insurance company to lose.

[Doug Smock]

If an illegal boat (a boat not recognized by the org.) was allowed to run on an insured site THE SITE HAS NO COVERAGE, THE CLUB HAS NO COVERAGE, THE LAND OWNER HAS NO COVERAGE, there is no insurance coverage. Period.
Let there be an accident in this case you have a whole new set of problems. Who pays? And what's that attorney going to cost the org. Neither NAMBA or the IMPBA are rolling in dough.

The bottom line is if the organizations rules aren't followed on an insured site there is no insurance coverage. A land owner, municipality, etc. will tell you and your organization to go pound sand if you aren't insured.

On your own time, on your own site, run whatever you'd like.

[keithbradley]

Who pays?

Who pays what? If someone runs his turbine on his own, and he crashes into a canoe full precious collectables, he will not be insured and he will be liable for any damages he causes. That has nothing to do with NAMBA, IMPBA, or any other organization.

The bottom line is if the organizations rules aren't followed on an insured site there is no insurance coverage.
On your own time, on your own site, run whatever you'd like.

Agreed. If someone runs an illegal boat at an event (or outside an event), he will not be covered if something should happen. However if the OP wants to run his boat outside an event, on his own time, that's 100% up to him and it's his liability. I don't know why he would be asked to turn in his NAMBA card.

[ls1fst98]

Is the general idea then that if you build a boat tgat doesn't fit into a NAMBA class you can not run it at a NAMBA club lake?

[Doug Smock]

Who pays what? If someone runs his turbine on his own, and he crashes into a canoe full precious collectables, he will not be insured and he will be liable for any damages he causes. That has nothing to do with NAMBA, IMPBA, or any other organization.

I give up, you're right. I'm sure the attorneys would stop at the turbine owner. An organization that used the pond or the land owner would never be contacted. There couldn't possibly be cost to them. What was I thinking, must be the drugs. LOL

[Doug Smock]

Is the general idea then that if you build a boat tgat doesn't fit into a NAMBA class you can not run it at a NAMBA club lake?

That's right. Not without putting the site, therefore, the club (NAMBA), in jeopardy.

[keithbradley]

I give up, you're right. I'm sure the attorneys would stop at the turbine owner. An organization that used the pond or the land owner would never be contacted. There couldn't possibly be cost to them. What was I thinking, must be the drugs. LOL

Must be.
If the boy scouts had used the lake the weekend before, I don't think the scout leader has anything to worry about.

You can come up with a million unlikely hypotheticals but an organization that used the lake at a different time would not be liable. If you think they are, exactly when would this term of liability end?
If I go run a 12s boat at Thread Lake this weekend, when is it ok to hold an event there again? A month? A year? 10 years? Ever?

[Doug Smock]

Sometimes it's like trying to pee up a rope.

[Doby]

I peed up a rope once...but then again, I defy gravity all the time...

[jaike5]

Jay, your missunderstanding. Or maybe I was missleading.

Open classes can be a combination of "classes".

The problem really is that the NAMBA rule book has a section that tells us that if you violate the safety rules you are not covered by does not say that all boats must fit a class or they are not covered.

I'm told that it's obviously that way and common sense. It's a lawyer slam dunk when something goes wrong but there is no budging on it. The rule book won't be updated to include this simple line of text.

Terry I think your mixed up. I think the turbine was for saw not roundy round, soooo turbine falls in T which is any motor within the parameters of displacement for the fossil burners , and voltage/cells for ampeaters. hull size for both.
Sorry no V8's for your T-mono. Common sense is not all that common !

Doug... pissing up a rope... where did you get that one? or did you mean pissing into the wind.

IMO turbine is a go! So typical to hold someone back who is a head of the curve.

I agree with doby , merge both factions....... Shat, did I just say that!!!



Cheers, Jay.