Turbine scales

[jaike5]

Oh Deeer.....

Example of legal wrangling:
Look a head on the road. now does that mean there is a head on the road ( not human), or look a head on the road to see what's coming.

Cheers, Jay.

[Doby]

Oh Deeer.....

Example of legal wrangling:
Look a head on the road. now does that mean there is a head on the road ( not human), or look a head on the road to see what's coming.

Cheers, Jay.

Dumb Kanadian...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ahead

[PatrickM]

The limitations keep the price down. Yep. Get that.

Precisely.
The national organizations are using very sound judgment by not publishing the actual policy wording. I can't begin to imagine how some wannabe lawyers would misconstrue, warp, twist and attempt to mislead others with their own interpretations of the policy, it's implications and realities as applied to RC boating.

Providing a product that is different than as than your documentation claims is fraud.

See above.

[T.S.Davis]

How can anyone be okay with this? We buy insurance from NAMBA. "Without it we have nothing" somebody said that.

Guy buys car insurance. Pays X number of dollars. Has an accident turning left at a light. Minor thing.

Insurance company cancels his insurance.

"Why was my insurance cancelled?"
"You made a left turn"
"Left turn? What do you mean?"
"You can't make left turns"

Guy digs up his paperwork to see what he bought. (In our case the rule book) Nothing in there. Calls again.

"None of my paperwork says anything about left turns"
"Oh it's not in there"
"Why can't I turn left then?"
"I just decided. It's on our copy"
"Would have been handy information. Why didn't you put it on my copy?"
"We keep the price down by not telling you what's covered"
"Guess I got screwed"
"No, you got what you paid for"

For the record, I absolutely do not care if Todd's boat ever runs. Sorry Todd.

What I do care about is the fact that our rule book tells us how to stay protected and we're being told those parameters aren't sufficient. If the policy mandates total compliance with the rule book that's just grand..........then relay that to the customer (that's us).

If it's not in there then we have leadership making the call.

It's turbines today. Next it may be something that effects everyone. How about no more modified props. Thinning the blades makes them prone to failure. Can't risk throwing a blade.

[Peter A]

Problem with insurance companies is like banks they are a law unto them selves. Just ask all those affected by the Christchurch earthquakes (NZ). Paid their premiums for years. Four years plus later some (many) are still waiting for claims to be settled.
We (NZMPBA) have had to work through a similar issue, as President I raised it and we have had to make sure that all club days are sanctioned as well as regattas as the policy covered sanctioned events (basically).

[photohoward1]

What is the Cell Limit for IMPBA? I know in NAMBA it's 10"s.....is there a Mah limit in each organization? I really want to keep my club in check....

[Doby]

2 different organizations= stupidity.

Merge.... and move on to greater things...

[keithbradley]

What is the Cell Limit for IMPBA? I know in NAMBA it's 10"s.....is there a Mah limit in each organization? I really want to keep my club in check....

It's 10s.
So I guess based on Doug P's earlier suggestion of "hand in your NAMBA card and run elsewhere if you want to run a turbine" the same would apply to anyone that wanted to run 12s on their own time.
Since HV lipos have been banned from NAMBA because they have the capacity to be charged to a higher voltage, it would only be logical that 12s controllers be outlawed as well.

I know Terry can be a little over the top, but I think there is a lot of merit to what he saying.

[Doby]

So the rule books are derived from the insurance policies?????

Is that the general tone that I'm hearing??

[T.S.Davis]

Think that was Dave that told Todd to turn in his card.

The rule book doesn't tell you "don't run 12s". It should but it's not in there. There's a class max of 10s but the class rules aren't mentioned as a basis for loss of insurance in the safety rules.

However, it apparently doesn't matter if it's in there.

NAMBA is 12k for T.

[T.S.Davis]

So the rule books are derived from the insurance policies?????

The rules are (at least for safety) what ever leadership says they are. That "could" be okay. They're trying to protect the organization from exposure, lawsuits, and the potential loss of coverage for everyone. Sensible and they were elected to the position. Dave's description of how it would go is likely spot on.

BUT it's probably a good idea to tell the membership what those rules are so that the they don't screw up the works.

If Todd didn't know people he would have just read the book and stayed within the guidelines and thought that in so doing was protected.

[ls1fst98]

so does all this mean i wouldnt be able to run my 12s hpr at my club lake or we could potentially lose our insurance??

this thoroughly confused me. but i see where someone is coming from. it doesnt specifically say no turbines, but it doesnt say you can run a turbine.

[Doug Smock]

What is the Cell Limit for IMPBA? I know in NAMBA it's 10"s.....is there a Mah limit in each organization? I really want to keep my club in check....

There is no mAh limit in the IMPBA.

[T.S.Davis]

so does all this mean i wouldnt be able to run my 12s hpr at my club lake or we could potentially lose our insurance??

Yes, that's what I'm being told. Don't look for the text trail. It's not there.

[mickieb49]

How on earth do the Germans get the insurance coverage to run their turbines? I understand the gos and no goes of the insurance battles, whats covered and whats not.

I have a Turbine, and have been looking around to get insurance for myself, and because the AMBPBA here in Australia does not allow Turbines to run on any of their sanctioned dams, I have been trying to find another I can run it on, so not to have insurance conflicts, or put my organisation in a difficult spot.. Sounds stupid doesn't it.
I think it just comes down to respect for everyone else who loves their boats, my choice to go out and buy what is basically going to be a shelf queen ( out on sunny days) should not jeopardise my fellow boaters .
Change the insurance policies to include them.....yes please.
Do I think it's going to happen? .........More than likely Not.
Regards Mick