More limited motor discussion

[ray schrauwen]

If they could make the rule 37.6mm diameter I could run my favorite $30, 2200Kv outrunner.

What's with the outrunner discrimination??? lol.... Seriously, Let me just run it once in LSH against a $200 custom motor....

PPPplease??

This thread has caused an interesting storm of "the sky is falling" e-mails and texts.

People... "Neu" is NOT an abbreviation for "magic bullet". 37mm x 62mm... you'll only get SO much copper and steel inside that can, regardless of the label or brand.

Perhaps take a step back and RELAX. Buy your motors, get your boats setup, and learn to drive. Then your 90% of the way there.

When you get good with props, you'll start approaching that remaining 10%.

The sky is NOT falling...

[HTVboats]

Direct from NEU and TP are retail outlets. OSE Raider is a rebadge and I am sure more than 500 Flycolor 150's were made. Moot point as ESC's not an issue. I threw out 500 as a number, could be 250 or 1000 if you rather. The idea is to eliminate custom shops or a manufacturer making a small batch of "special" units. A manufacturer or distributor could submit a production number to qualify their motor. If Castle said they made XXXX it would be reasonable. Any fudging of numbers could disqualify a manufacturer from competition. Just ideas.
Mic

[Doby]

So what manufacturer is going to supply their actual sale numbers...its no-one's business.

Also, as it has been stated NUMEROUS times..you have to be able to drive your boat to win...no use adding unnecessary limitation that can't be verified.

[HTVboats]

The manufacturer that wants sales and qualify for the class will be happy to submit. Were talking a number of one size unit produced not corporate profits.
Mic

[Doby]

Because RC boats is such a huge market for the manufacturers? LOL
Its not verifiable..just adds more confusion...How would the production numbers be verified? I could say 4000, you say 1000? Just imagine the useless arguments on race day.

KISS...The Michigan bozos have it right.

Also, Dave has stated above that they run different motors in their club with no real difference...granted it is a relatively small sample size, but its the nearest data that could be quoted as fact based on actual testing.

[Darin Jordan]

There is no way you are stuffing all the guts, rotor and all, of a 1415, into a 62mm can.

All the rest of this is BS Hyperbole.

I'm not even sure why Doug cares, he's been against this class format in general from the start, so nothing has changed there.

We have 35+ members in our club who have been pushing these rules in practice for more than a season, and they like it.

Others have as well and do as well.

Also, stop putting words in my typing. I NEVER said people wouldn't have to re-tool. I did, if fact, state that the performance of the class, over the next year or two, MIGHT change, but that, for the immediate future, our existing setups would remain competitive. And, guess what, I'm 100% correct.

As for the rest, this is really the ONLY reasonable and sustainable way for this class to exist. It will be literally NO different in implementation than the other classes, with the exception that there is an actual, real, physical limitation to how much power you can bring to the table.

In the next season or two, that will sort itself out and the balance will be realized.

Any other way of doing this is either a nightmare of lists, or is completely untechable.

So freaking just relax. We've got this. The sky is still up there. The class will continue to run. Racers will still be racers. And talent is going to continue to outrun money.

[Doug Smock]

"I'm not even sure why Doug cares." Really? LMAO!

[Doby]

Doug doesn't care about anything...saw him kicking a puppy the other day!

[Darin Jordan]

If it can't be teched, it can't be a rule.

It's really that simple.

Outside of what the proposal outlines, every other suggestion here may make people feel good, but they are completely unenforceable and untechable.

This is a real, measurable, enforceable limitation.

Not sure what else needs to be said.

[Doby]

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[Darin Jordan]

Oops, double post...

[TRUCKPULL]

KISS method - Keep it simple stupid.

Diameter and Length - Lets race

Larry

[dethow]

There is no way you are stuffing all the guts, rotor and all, of a 1415, into a 62mm can.

Hey Darin, nice to know you actually read anything I have to say.
There is a way... It's been done... I own them... they are in my boats...
And another racer, a trusted national racer placed an order today.

I have offered to send you one for bench testing... but you don't read what I have to say.

[Darin Jordan]

I've read enough to know that I don't really care either way. If it fits the dimensions, it's legal. Eventually, it may even become mainstream, common, the way everyone does it.

And it'll be tech-able, non-controversial, and simply accepted. All without pages of arguing online and without motor-lists...

[dethow]

Darin!!!!!!!!!!! The only "F"ing thing I'm saying should be considered is pulling the dimensions back to 37mm x 60mm.

What is wrong with you man? You don't read a thing I have to say and then you just assume my issues are making things unteachable.

If you aren't worried about the Neu 1415 fitting into a 62mm can then why don't we just allow 70mm motors? There are probably many other 70mm motors with room to be cut down to 62mm.

This is seriously irresponsible that you won't even look at this motor until its to late.
Reducing the can size to 60mm will eliminate this issue. And it'll be tech-able, non-controversial, and simply accepted. All without pages of arguing online and without motor-lists...