whats the future of FE boating

[Darin Jordan]

I would like to see 3s power. You racers are missing the "boat" on that. I run 3s in my delta 26 and its a rocket with one cheap pack. No need to parallel.

Actually, Steven, that's another good point... On that note, what would actually make sense would be to have 3S, 6S, and Open... or 3S, 4S, and Open... 3S stuff is also very plentiful... and many of these "in between" motors, like the 2700-3300KV-ish motors, would suddenly make more sense...

Would be interested to hear how you'd work that in or what the class sizes would end up being??

What motor do you run in your 3S Delta 26???

[sailr]

That's been going on as longer as I can remember. I got into boating in 1981 and even then everyone's hulls were being splashed. A lot of the counterfeiters did a lousy job of it and they didn't last long. People today are a little better at it. But the REASONABLE PRICED originals will normally prevail. If they are overpriced as are some of the H&M's, there is an incentive to copy them. Not sure how to stop this. Look at the copies of everything under the sun coming out of Hobby City but yet people flock to them because of the cheap price. So much so that the American Hobby Shop is quickly becoming an endangered species.

One of the strange anomalies I have run into is somebody splashing hulls and also charging high prices! Absolutely amazing.


So as long as we have cheap-a$$ Americans trying to save a penny here and there rather than supporting products from American companies as well as their LHS, the knock-off artists will just keep at it.

Please understand that I'm not trying to be negative here, but consider the plight of the hull builders who've put time and effort into a good design only to have it splashed. H&M, MHZ, and even Randy and Brian have danced with this. Knowing that this is a real possibility may often inhibit the best of intentions from such designer/builders. The DF and HOR boats are a good example of this. Just a thought.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Actually, Steven, that's another good point... On that note, what would actually make sense would be to have 3S, 6S, and Open... or 3S, 4S, and Open... 3S stuff is also very plentiful... and many of these "in between" motors, like the 2700-3300KV-ish motors, would suddenly make more sense...

Would be interested to hear how you'd work that in or what the class sizes would end up being??

What motor do you run in your 3S Delta 26???

I run a feigao 540 9L in it. On 2s and 3s. On 2s its fun, on 3s its a blast.

[Steven Vaccaro]

So as long as we have cheap-a$$ Americans trying to save a penny here and there rather than supporting products from American companies as well as their LHS, the knock-off artists will just keep at it.

Oh boy, you are going to piss a bunch of people off with that statement.

Since you and I import the stuff as dealers where do we stand on that statement?

Personally as a consumer, I give my fair amount of biz to the local shop, but if I find something online thats similar and lesser priced, should I just buy it from him? Most of the LHS's stuff comes from overseas anyways. The only difference is there are about 2-3 more hands taking a profit, until it reaches the consumer in the USA.

[properchopper]

I understand what you are saying. But in reference to Delta Force, they just filled a niche that Seaducer wouldn't or couldn't fill. Seaducer was asked many times to make a good looking hatch for their hulls. As far as I know they never did.

Oops ! I thought the DF's were a copy of the Mhz Tsunami - I just went to MhzUsa & Extreme Doc to check it out & no site connect. OTOH I'm running a DF clone; bought it used, not sure where it originated from.

[Darin Jordan]

I run a feigao 540 9L in it. On 2s and 3s. On 2s its fun, on 3s its a blast.

Very cool...

Well... 3S to me has always made more sense that 2S... Would be interesting to see what a class structure would look like using 3S, 4S, and Open... Or 3S, 6S, and Open... 4S, however, just works with SOOO many motors, etc. right now...

Maybe open classes with 3S, 6S, and Open

and 4S for a spec set of classes...

Now, however, we are back up to a bunch of classes again... though not as many as we have now...

[Doug Smock]

So as long as we have cheap-a$$ Americans trying to save a penny here and there rather than supporting products from American companies as well as their LHS, the knock-off artists will just keep at it.

I know YOU didn't asy that.

[graill]

The future indeed. Batteries with smart programming to prevent feedback or too much amperage draw. ESC's as many have pointed out that know when to limit power and prevent feedback. Motors made for FE, capable of braking by themselves to prevent feedback and overrevs. Ahh the future.........

The tech is out there, why wont the big manufacturers make them? No profit.
In the meanwhile we get hand me downs with labels slapped on them.


As a side question, Darin or D. smock, are either of you running for Namba pres, and if not why not?

[Doug Smock]

I'm IMPBA because that's what's here.

Darin????????????????????????

Doug

[sjslhill]

I can honestly say that I done with racing.....not interested in the new rules and new equipment.

However, you people have fun with it.

thanks,
Steve

[befu]

races

I agree with the too many classes. That is one of the main reasons I shelved the Nitro and Gas boats after racing in the IMPBA. At a nice two day race. Wait for them to get started, then hold the meeting, then watch some races until my turn. Get prepped, pit time, start, running the clock and then 5 laps of race. bring it in, go to bench and wait..... wait... wait... Even running three or four boats, it was hours between runs. Didn't even go back for the second day, got out of it right there. Next day, went to the local pond and ran all I wanted to and had a blast.

Racing can be fun, but a minute or two of running compared to hours of waiting? No thanks.

Brian

What do I want to see? Better power sources for the larger boats. 2s and 3s boats make sense right now. $10 to $15 batteries, fun times. Would love a 4s or 6s 32" or larger cat, but after the boat, batteries add up.

I think those already exist... I talked to the guy who was doing it... can't remember his name, but I think he's on here somewhere....

In my opinion, and this is coming from a strictly racing standpoint, I'd like to see the number of voltage levels reduced... It's all very redundant and unnecessary...

I think we need to concentrate on three levels of power...

1) 4S Spec Classes
2) 4S Open Classes
3) up to 10S OPEN

That would provide all of the racing that one would ever need, at every price point... Then, instead of running upteen classes... we could get to running more ROUNDS instead... 4 or 5 rounds, instead of the three we do now... Then a DNF or a DNS doesn't take you out for the day. You could travel to races with fewer boats, and still get just as much time on the water, etc...

From an all-around boating standpoint, I'd REALLY like to see a more reliable high-voltage controller out there... We can run our spec and Nue 4S stuff all day long... now we need something for 6S to 10S...

[Doug Smock]

I can honestly say I have never been bored at a race, weather I was racing one class or six!
There is always somebody needing a pitman or a helping hand with something.
If I sit too long I'll fall asleep.LOL
Doug

[graill]

OH Darin (yes a small hijack of the thread) was up at twin lakes this last weekend with the princess, when i got there the only people running were gassers and they took their toys and left.

Going back up there this coming sunday. i like that lake.

And one fellow running a sailboat.

[rockwerks]

I can honestly say I have never been bored at a race, weather I was racing one class or six!
There is always somebody needing a pitman or a helping hand with something.
If I sit too long I'll fall asleep.LOL
Doug

X20 that is what its all about, Ive never raced boat but have raced 1/10 sprint car, GTP onroad, and competed nationally in rock crawling and helping others and hanging out while waiting your turn most of the fun

[ozzie-crawl]

Oh boy, you are going to piss a bunch of people off with that statement.

Since you and I import the stuff as dealers where do we stand on that statement?

Personally as a consumer, I give my fair amount of biz to the local shop, but if I find something online thats similar and lesser priced, should I just buy it from him? Most of the LHS's stuff comes from overseas anyways. The only difference is there are about 2-3 more hands taking a profit, until it reaches the consumer in the USA.

good call, i dont know what your hobby shops are like in the U.S
but local shops here give you about 3 choices in boats mini rio,sv27 and if your lucky and want to pay $800 a ul-1 wait almost forgot $1500 gets you a 60 klmh gasser
if you want a set of lipo,s $300 for 2 2s 5000
if i had to buy from my lhs i would be running plastic tug boats powered by rubber bands because they dont know what a flex shaft even looks like
my 2c