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  • Fluid
    Fast and Furious
    • Apr 2007
    • 7990

    #16
    All this effort expended trying to re-invent the wheel - again......

    High-speed surfacing rudders are wedge-shaped because that causes the least amount of drag. The water off each side of the rudder stays apart - you do not want it to come back together too soon. Air travels down the back face of the rudder to fill the void left behind the blade - this requires much less energy than trying to move water to fill the void because air weighs less and moves around turns much more easily. More energy wasted means more drag and lower speeds.

    Sharp, airfoil-shaped training edges are terrible, promoting occilations of the rudder and resulting in wandering on the straights. Wedge shaped rudders promote better turning like wedge-shaped prop blades do, creating low pressure on the turning edge to help bring the transom around. This is all well-proven technology in both full-scale and model applications.

    You simply cannot apply the technology from slow-moving displacement sailboats to surface-planing racing powerboats. The rudders are different (as is the surface finish of the boat bottom. Furniture wax is certainly not where it's at for a "speed coat.")

    Believe me, if airfoil-shaped rudders were better, the Budweiser Unlimited team would have used that technology. But they used wedge-shaped rudders and turnfins. They didn't wax the bottom of their boats either. While thinking outside the box is good for some things, others based on basic physics just can't be improved. Now when we go to fuel-cell technology and race at 150 mph we may have to do some things differently - but I bet it won't include airfoil-shaped rudders.



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    • sailr
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Nov 2007
      • 6924

      #17
      yada yada yada. One eveything bagel with chives cream cheese please.

      That's as technical as I like to get.
      Mini Cat Racing USA
      www.minicatracingusa.com

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      • teach
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2008
        • 509

        #18
        Originally posted by sailr View Post
        yada yada yada. One eveything bagel with chives cream cheese please.

        That's as technical as I like to get.
        No bacon bits?.....weirdo

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        • Ub Hauled
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Aug 2007
          • 3031

          #19
          Originally posted by Fluid View Post
          All this effort expended trying to re-invent the wheel - again......
          Not from my part, I am just trying to understand where people a coming from when they say "wedge is better", the "why" of things.

          Thanks for the explanation though, I have looked around and found little on this matter.
          :::::::::::::::. It's NEVER fast enough! .:::::::::::::::

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          • sailr
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Nov 2007
            • 6924

            #20
            Personally, I've never enjoyed a wedgie.

            Originally posted by Ub Hauled View Post
            Not from my part, I am just trying to understand where people a coming from when they say "wedge is better", the "why" of things.

            Thanks for the explanation though, I have looked around and found little on this matter.
            Mini Cat Racing USA
            www.minicatracingusa.com

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            • sailr
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Nov 2007
              • 6924

              #21
              Naw, I like to keep it simple. Good thought though!

              Originally posted by teach View Post
              No bacon bits?.....weirdo
              Mini Cat Racing USA
              www.minicatracingusa.com

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              • Ub Hauled
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Aug 2007
                • 3031

                #22
                Originally posted by sailr View Post
                Personally, I've never enjoyed a wedgie.
                In one word... "commando".
                :::::::::::::::. It's NEVER fast enough! .:::::::::::::::

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                • jantagg
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 187

                  #23
                  Following the advent of surface propellers and three point hydroplanes, foil or teardrop shaped rudders changed to wedge shaped. At the higher speed achieved moving from tail dragging boats to full surface boats, it was noticed that the older rudders tended to flutter for reasons pointed out in Jay's post. The fluttering vibration issue was solved when some smart fellow put on the first wedge shaped rudder and they have not changed since.

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                  • Fluid
                    Fast and Furious
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 7990

                    #24
                    The following helps to explain the topic.




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                    • 785boats
                      Wet Track Racing
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 3169

                      #25
                      Thanks. Now we know.
                      Paul.
                      See the danger. THEN DO IT ANYWAY!!!
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                      • Eodman
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 1253

                        #26
                        Well hell all I want to do is have fun & now Fluid you come up with fluid dynamics and stuff!

                        My Mean Machine is running in the low 40's and it doesn't care thing 1 about the shape of its rudder! Good enough for me!

                        You helped me with the initial setup choices so you can do the school stuff and just pass it on! Thank you thank you very much!
                        We did it with a Bang!

                        Cats Are Where It's At!

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