Darin's Top Speed 2 FE Conversion...

[properchopper]

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One more thing... I have a couple of the OS mounts at home... I can measure the distance from the plate to the pivot tonight... I'll post the measurement later...

Cool ! - After reading some old posts by Z-man about Randy's first Hooter build & the instructions on the VS-1 I'm now more aware of the importance of this dimension.

[Darin Jordan]

One more thing... I have a couple of the OS mounts at home... I can measure the distance from the plate to the pivot tonight... I'll post the measurement later...

[Darin Jordan]

The TS-2 could have the boat shortened to accomodate the longer mounts, but the VS-1 would be way more difficult - I already considered that idea but rejected it ; too much surgery on a wood boat.

I used the Hi-Jack mount straight up on my TS-2 with the REK lower and it handled great... No issues at all... at least not up here in our water... It did act funny down in California at Lake Minden... but I think we sorted that out as needing a different prop for that water...

Different tunnel like different pivot pin locations... The TS-2 was designed to use the OS-Max motor, which has it's own mount assembly... Figure out where THAT pivot is located, and try to get as close to that a possible... Mine would up just like Tony's is, and both handle fine...

I'm betting the VS-1 is designed around using the OS lower as well, so it should have similiar mounting needs...

I wouldn't vary much from how Mike has her designed.... it's a proven race winner and a hell of a boat right out of the box... Just have to adjust the the battery load (extra weight)... but otherwise, leave it alone!

[properchopper]

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Even if the hyperformance mount stick out too much, since it looks to be solid metal, you can grind a bunch off and drill and tap new holes.

Another idea would be to modify the boats to bring the mounts further in. Then you guys could keep your fancy mounts.

The Hyperformance mount 'll be here tomorrow & then the sorting out begins.

The TS-2 could have the boat shortened to accomodate the longer mounts, but the VS-1 would be way more difficult - I already considered that idea but rejected it ; too much surgery on a wood boat.

[j.m.]

Even if the hyperformance mount stick out too much, since it looks to be solid metal, you can grind a bunch off and drill and tap new holes.

Another idea would be to modify the boats to bring the mounts further in. Then you guys could keep your fancy mounts.

[ice329]

I am not worried, I just came accross it and figured I would post it. My boat weighs
5 lbs 12oz RTR that is with the packs in it.

[properchopper]

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All the angle drive needs is an electric motor mount.


You guys might like these for mounts:
http://hyperprod.bizhosting.com/3_5_...tor_mount.html

I'm taking my time developing the mount configuration. I take seriously Grimracer's comments about avoiding oversteer [spinouts] so I want to get the pivot inside the rear sponson tips as much as possible. Here's some choices :
[ L to R ] : the jack plate pivot mount with the back adjustment ground off [ hate to sacrifice my spare, but..] , the Dubro modified by re-drilling the metal plates to move the pivot block closer to the transom, or the simple mount that came with , IIRC, the TS-2. #1 & #3 would use the angle shims that came with the TS-2 for tilt. I'm also ordering today the Hyperformance mount to see if it's the best choice, gambling $ 21.95 to find out.

[Darin Jordan]

I came accross the listed weight of the TS2, and it is quite a bit lighter at 2.125 lb verses 4 pounds of the new VS1

Length: 30 in (762mm)
Width: 11.5 in (292mm)
Height w/o engine: 5.75 in (146mm)
Weight (hull only): 34 oz (2.125 lb (964g)

That's the RTR weight for the VS1... You are comparing it to the "hull only" weight for the TS-2...

The TS-2 RTR is going to be about 10oz heavier than the VS1... But I wouldn't let this bother you too much... Weight is NOT always a bad thing... Look at most of the Nitro Tunnel setups out there... They have lead taped to the sponson tips, etc...

[ice329]

Humm your setup is a bit differnt then mine. Will give what I got a shot today then try the way your is.

I asked on one of these threads about the weight of the TS2 verses the VS1 I came accross the listed weight of the TS2, and it is quite a bit lighter at 2.125 lb verses 4 pounds of the new VS1

Length: 30 in (762mm)
Width: 11.5 in (292mm)
Height w/o engine: 5.75 in (146mm)
Weight (hull only): 34 oz (2.125 lb (964g)

[j.m.]

All the angle drive needs is an electric motor mount.


You guys might like these for mounts:

http://hyperprod.bizhosting.com/3_5_outboard_motor_mount.html

[mtgoat]

Also I've been researching discussions on the distance between the pivot pin & the rear sponson tip; conventional wisdom seems to say [ along with Grimracer's instructions with the VS-1] that too far back & oversteer [spinouts] occur. For the VS-1 I'm foregoing that sexy jack plate & using a simple, closer to the transom mount to induce some understeer [slide] through the turns.

This is my thinking also. I've decided to go with the Dubro mount on my VS1 build for that reason. I was so tempted to go with the eye candy mount, but I really just want this boat to handle well.

BTW, properchopper, I am planning on copying your radiobox layout for my VS1 as shown on post 98 of this thread, unless you suggest otherwise.

Here's a big THANKS to Darin, properchopper, Ice329 and others who've contributed their expertise in this thread.

[properchopper]

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I like tinkering but also like the short cut of asking they guys who did it already...hehe Here is the new adjustment. For some reason I still feel the motor should be lower. Anyway I never did one so if something is wrong go ahead and laugh but just point it out so I can go fix it... What you think of where it is placed now. Trimmed enough or what should I adj.

Propchopper you see your handy work.

Here's the adjustment that works for me with a X442 or X642; before I raised it up higher vertically & trimmed the angle down the boat porpoised wildly in the turns; now corners flat. {A little weight in the nose helped too} This TS-2 had the bottom reworked by Darin, SJFE & I finished it up. Notice the sponson curves up a little at the rear; byproduct of not totally trueing the bottom. Also note the Hyperformance Angle Drive; just got it today from Randy. It's gonna' take some serious work to set it up for electric.
Also I've been researching discussions on the distance between the pivot pin & the rear sponson tip; conventional wisdom seems to say [ along with Grimracer's instructions with the VS-1] that too far back & oversteer [spinouts] occur. For the VS-1 I'm foregoing that sexy jack plate & using a simple, closer to the transom mount to induce some understeer [slide] through the turns.

[j.m.]

I think you guys would be much happier with these legs:

http://hyperprod.bizhosting.com/3_5_angle_drive.html

[ice329]

I like tinkering but also like the short cut of asking they guys who did it already...hehe Here is the new adjustment. For some reason I still feel the motor should be lower. Anyway I never did one so if something is wrong go ahead and laugh but just point it out so I can go fix it... What you think of where it is placed now. Trimmed enough or what should I adj.

Propchopper you see your handy work.

[crazzy maxx]

threads very help full lol
now all i need is parts:thinking: