Democrats may pass health reform without GOP

[rockwerks]

Haven't you figured this out yet? The insurance companies DON'T WANT the fraud, abuse, etc. to be cleaned up. If it was, they would have to lower their premiums and that is the kiss of death to them! They would as soon absorb the fraud and raise the premiums far further than necessary to cover it.

I recently started looking at my mutual funds investments and found I was invested in pharmaceuticals and health insurance. I called my broker and told him to move my money out of those funds into something that had no correlation to the CROOKS in those industries. At least I can sleep better at night knowing I'm not supporting their obscene profits on the backs of the health of the American people.

LOL you crack me up!


What this will cause is a decrease in the number of companies that will write insurance and will cause the price to go up on private insurance not down. It will also decrease the number of students going into the field as it has in other countries. When you get paid what you are told you can and not what you are able to make, less people enter the field.

So Einstein how are we going to pay for this?

[sailr]

And on what do you base this information.....Fox news? Get real! I own a business. If my product isn't selling, I LOWER my price, not raise it. You need to talk to your doctor. Almost ALL of them support Universal Care if not at least a public option. The AMA endorses it as well. If there was such a doomsday scenario as you say, I don't think the support from the medical profession would be there. They are sick and tired of the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies. At least the HONEST doctors just wanting to practice medicine anyway.

How are we going to pay for it? You haven't been paying attention except to the whiners on the right.
1. do away with Bush's tax cuts to the uber rich which never led to helping anyone else anyway.
2. Raise the taxes on those making over $250,000/year by 1-2%
3. Get everyone insured...most paying 'something' into the system, thus generating more money.
4. Raise the threshold on medicare taxes. The cap is now at $108,000 or something like that. Beyond that, they don't have to pay anymore. Raise it to $300,000 so those fortunate enough to make that kind of money are paying their fare share. Everyone making under or up to the current threshold is paying on 100% of their wages while the wealthiest are only paying on their wages up to $108,000. That is regressive taxation and patently unfair.
5. Get the fraud and waste out of the system. Saving billions.
6. Negotiate drug prices so we are not paying more for the drugs made here than every other country in the world is! This is disgraceful at best!
7. Regulate the hell out of the insurance and pharmaceutical companies.

There are more savings to be had through simple efficiencies and treating people's health, rather than sickness! Keeping people healthy will reduce costs dramatically!

Now, got another question?

You don't crack me up. You make me worry about your ability to see past the rhetoric and lies from the right and the greedmongers in the GOP being bought off by the insurance and drug companies.

LOL you crack me up!


What this will cause is a decrease in the number of companies that will write insurance and will cause the price to go up on private insurance not down. It will also decrease the number of students going into the field as it has in other countries. When you get paid what you are told you can and not what you are able to make, less people enter the field.

So Einstein how are we going to pay for this?

[Rumdog]

OH Snap!

[rockwerks]

And on what do you base this information.....Fox news? Get real! I own a business. If my product isn't selling, I LOWER my price, not raise it. You need to talk to your doctor. Almost ALL of them support Universal Care if not at least a public option. The AMA endorses it as well. If there was such a doomsday scenario as you say, I don't think the support from the medical profession would be there. They are sick and tired of the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies. At least the HONEST doctors just wanting to practice medicine anyway.

How are we going to pay for it? You haven't been paying attention except to the whiners on the right.
1. do away with Bush's tax cuts to the uber rich which never led to helping anyone else anyway.
2. Raise the taxes on those making over $250,000/year by 1-2%
3. Get everyone insured...most paying 'something' into the system, thus generating more money.
4. Raise the threshold on medicare taxes. The cap is now at $108,000 or something like that. Beyond that, they don't have to pay anymore. Raise it to $300,000 so those fortunate enough to make that kind of money are paying their fare share. Everyone making under or up to the current threshold is paying on 100% of their wages while the wealthiest are only paying on their wages up to $108,000. That is regressive taxation and patently unfair.
5. Get the fraud and waste out of the system. Saving billions.
6. Negotiate drug prices so we are not paying more for the drugs made here than every other country in the world is! This is disgraceful at best!
7. Regulate the hell out of the insurance and pharmaceutical companies.

There are more savings to be had through simple efficiencies and treating people's health, rather than sickness! Keeping people healthy will reduce costs dramatically!

Now, got another question?

You don't crack me up. You make me worry about your ability to see past the rhetoric and lies from the right and the greedmongers in the GOP being bought off by the insurance and drug companies.

You need to put down the liberal Koolaid,

My info comes straight from the CBO (GAO (General accounting office}of our US gummit. by the end of this year (without Health care reform) our national debt will rise from 1.4 trillion to estimated 9.9 trillion in the next few years.

Obama promised us that there would be no borroand spend in his administration. From about 35% of our GDP to nearly 70%! The increases you mentioned will not even cover the interest payments on our existing debt.



The so called stimulus package is nothing but a farce and will give us a short tiny respite for several months then we will start seeing inflation. It has to happen, just basic economics.

We are following the exact path that we took during the great depression.

The federal government increased its spending from $9.8 billion in 1934 to $14.2 billion in 1940, the unemployment rate in 1940 was still a staggering 14.6%. A 45% increase in New Deal spending in 6 years did not end the Depression. It took a World War to do that. If it where not for WWII and bond drives (increases in personal savings) then the depression would have lasted many more years caused by the massive borrow and spend programs.

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Peter Schiff say this coming in the 80's and all of his projections have come to pass save the latest bout of borrow and spend

Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital, says the government is trying to perpetuate a “phony economy” based on borrowing and spending. The bond bubble will soon burst and will ultimately lead to a collapse of the dollar and an “inflationary depression worse than anything any of us have ever seen.” It will be an “unmitigated disaster,” warns Schiff.

If you think that this health care plan will do anything but cause us to further fall into a deeper hole you are sadly mistaken.

CBO deficit projection

If all the president's budget proposals were to be enacted and the economy continued to struggle, the nation's deficit would climb well beyond what the White House had previously projected, according to a new analysis from the Congressional Budget Office.


Even many democrats are waking up and seeing that we can not survie on this current borrow and spend free for all that Obama has put forth.
The deficit estimate for 2009 would total $1.8 trillion, or 13.1 percent of GDP, the nonpartisan CBO estimated, with another $1.4 trillion of debt the next year.

President Obama's budget initiatives, if enacted, would add an estimated $4.8 trillion to the nation's deficit between 2010-2019, the CBO report said.

That's a lot more than the numbers put out by the White House. The CBO wrote in its report:
Our estimates of deficits under the President’s budget exceed those anticipated by the Administration by $2.3 trillion over the 2010-2019 period. The differences arise largely because of differing projections of baseline revenues and outlays. CBO’s projection of baseline deficits exceeds the Administration’s estimate (prepared on a comparable basis) by $1.6 trillion.

By comparison, if current laws were maintained, the 2009 deficit would be an estimated $1.7 trillion, and the 2010 deficit would be $1.1 trillion. Even those lower numbers would be the largest deficits as a share of GDP since 1945, the CBO said.

The CBO's estimate of overall economic conditions did not offer particularly cheerful news either.

Despite the steps already taken by the White House and the Treasury, "the economy is likely to continue to deteriorate for some time," the CBO report said.

The recession may technically end by the fall, but:

For the next two years, CBO anticipates that economic output will average about 7 percent below its potential—the output that would be produced if the economy’s resources were fully employed. That shortfall is comparable with the one that occurred during the recession of 1981 and 1982 and will persist for significantly longer—making the current recession the most severe since World War II. In this forecast, the unemployment rate peaks at 9.4 percent in late 2009 and early 2010 and remains above 7.0 percent through the end of 2011. With a large and sustained output gap, inflation is expected during the next several years.

There is no simple answer. Does something need to be done? Yes but it will need more time to study and find the correct solution. Big brother involved in health care scares the crap out of me.

I myself have never been covered by health insurance and Im fast approaching 50 in January.

CBO director on the Health care initiative article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/16/AR2009071602242.html

[sailr]

Interesting. Who ran up the debt? Who gave out the first stimulus package? And you accuse me of drinking the LIBERAL koolaid?

You asked how to pay for Health Care, not pay off the whole debt. Get your questions and answers straight.

[obrien]

Don't worry everyone. Our savior obumer will just keep printing more and more money. Thats how he plans to pay for this stuff.

And raising taxes is about the dumbest thing to do, regardless of how much money someone makes. Get rid of the illegals and bull *!***!***!***!** programs the government has for spreading the wealth to those who don't want to earn it, and you will start to see some inprovements.

[rockwerks]

Interesting. Who ran up the debt? Who gave out the first stimulus package? And you accuse me of drinking the LIBERAL koolaid?

You asked how to pay for Health Care, not pay off the whole debt. Get your questions and answers straight.

Raising the Medicare on the rich will not even make enough money to pay for the interest on the money borrowed to put the health care plan into effect......... According to the GAO the health care plan as proposed is unsustainable and will increase the national debt by another 1 trillion dollars in the next decade.

Bush made a major mistake in the original bank bailout the stimulus package is this administrations baby.

Obama took office with a 1.4 trillion deficit and by the end of this first borrow and spend year it will be over 7 trillion

[rockwerks]

Don't worry everyone. Our savior obumer will just keep printing more and more money. Thats how he plans to pay for this stuff.

And raising taxes is about the dumbest thing to do, regardless of how much money someone makes. Get rid of the illegals and bull *!***!***!***!** programs the government has for spreading the wealth to those who don't want to earn it, and you will start to see some inprovements.

You are off base also.

Illegals actually only account for around 1.5% of all us social programs nationally (net) about 2% in California

[domwilson]

Here's a little info. to stoke the fire... http://www.academycomputerservice.co...ics/charts.htm
So for all you Obama bashers, it is easy to see when things started taking a turn for the worse. In the Clinton administration there was a balance. Clearly when there is no balance and one party has full control, things start to get scary.

[domwilson]

Another reason for reform.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8234533.stm

[RCprince]

We need to dismantle, the EPA, FDA The insurance companies and big Pharma.

[domwilson]

We need to dismantle, the EPA, FDA The insurance companies and big Pharma.

Maybe restructure and refocus the EPA and FDA. Big pharma gets money from charities, government subsidies and the fleecing of U.S. citizens.

[sailr]

We just need to get the payoffs to the GOP and their lackies at the agencies stopped and let the FDA and EPA do their jobs!

Maybe restructure and refocus the EPA and FDA. Big pharma gets money from charities, government subsidies and the fleecing of U.S. citizens.

[domwilson]

http://sickforprofit.com/

[RCprince]

Yea i saw the Previews a few weeks ago, I signed up for senator Sanders for Vermont newsletter while is was watching it.