NAMBA P-LIMITED Motor List - Pro Boat Motors NO LONGER AVAILABLE

[longballlumber]

I find it odd that, in EVERY OTHER CLASS in NAMBA, where motors are WIDE OPEN and people can spend as much or as little as they want, nobody is complaining about the balance of competition, or that there are TOO many motors available. And, people are TRUSTED to be able to decide for themselves what motor they want to run. Some go WAY overkill (Terry?? Ken?? Mike?? ) and others go with the "enough" power method (did you know I set the RC Boating's FASTEST EVER 2-Laps for ANY OPC Tunnel ANYWHERE using 4S1P and a mere 3640-sized TP motor? In other words... JUST enough power... )... BUT, we are all able to decide for ourselves in these classes.

For the record and the risk of getting off topic slightly; I actually think the scenario your describing is eventually going to hurt FE racing in general. Just a few years ago the GO-TO setup for most P boats was a NEU 1515 1Y. Now we have access to TP motors 1/3 longer (4070) with roughly the same KV, and it's only $140! this all equals an instant 5-8 MPH increase... Good for the hobby?

You keep referencing your Tunnel boat and your records.... As soon as someone breaks your record using a 40 series motor are you going to keep working with the 3640, because it's "JUST enough"? Guess what, it's not enough anymore! If you really valued your record you will do what it takes to get it back, and that includes changing to a different motor.

[jevmax]

Years ago in the world of RC oval racing cars, we were able to keep the “spec” class a level playing field by using “hand-out” motors and batteries. When you arrive at the race and paid your entry fee, we handed you the cells and the motor. Immediately after the event we quarantined your car if you had a podium finish. We proceeded to closely inspect and unwind the motor, etc.. All of the racers knew what to expect, and I don’t recall any problems. Would it work with boats?

[longballlumber]

I truly hope the 2 organizations can come close to being on the same page. And maybe people will race more or travel to some races more..that being said��.. winter warmups in beautiful Arizona in February!! Sorry had to��

You keep saying this, but there were NO efforts to reach out to ANYONE on the BOD of the IMPBA to develop a working relationship! The notion that the IMPBA "needs" to follow NAMBA is ridiculous just because there is a new proposal out there.

The only justification for a 60mm limit I have heard so far is - lots of motors to choose from. It was quoted elsewhere that 60mm limit would net you "20-30 motors to choose from". No one seems to care that 20%-30% (estimate) of those motors will even be worth a crap. Case in point, Turnigy motor it fits but Ray, you've already eluded to the fact that several have burnt up! What kind of message is that to someone wanting to get into the hobby?

Traveling doesn't have anything to do with motor sizes! Everyone is still using the same motors that were being bitched about6-8 years ago! The majority of racers are still using products from ProBoat or AquaCraft.

[Darin Jordan]

You keep referencing your Tunnel boat and your records.... As soon as someone breaks your record using a 40 series motor are you going to keep working with the 3640, because it's "JUST enough"? Guess what, it's not enough anymore!

Actually, YES... I'll keep using it. I hadn't even scratched the surface of the motor's potential. The hull was the limiting factor...

Most of you WAY overpower your setups... Just sayin'.

[Doug Smock]

You keep saying this, but there were NO efforts to reach out to ANYONE on the BOD of the IMPBA to develop a working relationship! The notion that the IMPBA "needs" to follow NAMBA is ridiculous just because there is a new proposal out there.

The only justification for a 60mm limit I have heard so far is - lots of motors to choose from. It was quoted elsewhere that 60mm limit would net you "20-30 motors to choose from". No one seems to care that 20%-30% (estimate) of those motors will even be worth a crap. Case in point, Turnigy motor it fits but Ray, you've already eluded to the fact that several have burnt up! What kind of message is that to someone wanting to get into the hobby?

Traveling doesn't have anything to do with motor sizes! Everyone is still using the same motors that were being bitched about6-8 years ago! The majority of racers are still using products from ProBoat or AquaCraft.

[Doug Smock]

Most of you WAY overpower your setups... Just sayin'.

Painting with a broad brush but there certainly are some...

[Darin Jordan]

Painting with a broad brush but there certainly are some...

Just working the percentages...

Mike is right, in the end, however, regarding traveling, etc. HOW many actually do that? Hell, I don't even do it much anymore.

All this Rules-Bantering/Bashing/Hashing really only affects ONE event per year. Clubs are going to do whatever they want. So, in the end, all this only affects a handful of people.

We, as a club, were able to talk for about an hour, over two seasons ago, and put this in place. Limitations are slightly different, but still simple, physical, dimensional limitations, and racing hasn't been hindered. Participation is as strong as ever.

Honestly, this doesn't affect me much, as I 1) Am not racing as much as I used to, 2) Don't plan to travel much, and 3) Have developed the position of "just tell me what the rules are, and if I like them, I'll participate. Otherwise... He Gone"...

Just not worth making enemies over something that really doesn't matter locally. And, Frankly, if people can't come together and do SOMETHING logical, the class will die, and that's OK too. Plenty of other places to put your resources.

[Doug Smock]

Years ago in the world of RC oval racing cars, we were able to keep the “spec” class a level playing field by using “hand-out” motors and batteries. When you arrive at the race and paid your entry fee, we handed you the cells and the motor. Immediately after the event we quarantined your car if you had a podium finish. We proceeded to closely inspect and unwind the motor, etc.. All of the racers knew what to expect, and I don’t recall any problems. Would it work with boats?

There is your Nats. answer Mike. Build the cost into the entry fees for those classes. Shoot, maybe more guys will put on their big boy panties and build P & up class boats..
You know fellas we don't help those classes when a guy comes on here and says he wants to build a Q Sport and he's told "If you want to heat race you'd better build a P Limited Sport". So we're going to race this limited crap forever? Not me....I can pull a rope and have more high performance racing than I can stand! Just sayin...

[Doug Smock]

Just not worth making enemies over something that really doesn't matter locally. And, Frankly, if people can't come together and do SOMETHING logical, the class will die, and that's OK too. Plenty of other places to put your resources.

Roger that...OVER.

[RaceMechaniX]

Most of you WAY overpower your setups... Just sayin'.

Why are you guys always trying to single me out!

[Darin Jordan]

Why are you guys always trying to single me out!
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Hahahahaha... You're a Bad, BAD man, Tyler!!

[T.S.Davis]

For the record, I didn't run a 1515 in P anything until I was told that was all I needed. Time trials fall of 2017 was the first shot with a 1515 in a Pearl. My P boats had bigger motors than that back in 2009. Before that they were Hacker 7,8,9XL motors. Some Aveox too. By 2009, only my limited and N2 boats were smaller than a 1521.

Jim, the problem with hand outs is the cost to host an event. A club like MMEU would be looking to supply motors and batteries for maybe 50 boats give or take. We could pass the cost on to the racers but who's coming when the entry fee for each spec class is $150?

Doug, go in to your local hobby shop and buy a gas race boat. How about a P sport? Right off the shelf. Not happening is it? So he finds someone to show him how to build one. Really want brand new guy racing 70mph with his first boat? Good plan.

As for IMPBA and NAMBA working together at all..............what are we trying to do here? He said, she said, who follows who's ideas.............I give ABSOLUTELY zero craps about. Without spec/limited there will be little to NO FE racing. Not at mixed races. Not at stand alone races. Without it guys are not going to show up. Any that don't see that are either not paying attention or are not participating in events.

IMPBA's resistance to limited as it was made perfect sense to me. There were so many holes in what we were doing. It's a broken rule set. Was from the start. We were too ignorant to see it. Some of us at least (I count myself among them). The debate over the flaws was endless and heated. The BOD wanted nothing to do with that nonsense. Who could blame them?

This new idea, what ever it comes down to (36 x whatever?) is only going to be controversial if we make it so. As it is, we're merely discussing the length of the can and how to keep a 1415 out. Other than that...............what other controversy is there on this? Egos aside.

[longballlumber]

Years ago in the world of RC oval racing cars, we were able to keep the “spec” class a level playing field by using “hand-out” motors and batteries. When you arrive at the race and paid your entry fee, we handed you the cells and the motor. Immediately after the event we quarantined your car if you had a podium finish. We proceeded to closely inspect and unwind the motor, etc.. All of the racers knew what to expect, and I don’t recall any problems. Would it work with boats?

There is your Nats. answer Mike. Build the cost into the entry fees for those classes. Shoot, maybe more guys will put on their big boy panties and build P & up class boats..
You know fellas we don't help those classes when a guy comes on here and says he wants to build a Q Sport and he's told "If you want to heat race you'd better build a P Limited Sport". So we're going to race this limited crap forever? Not me....I can pull a rope and have more high performance racing than I can stand! Just sayin...

I agree this is more along the lines of what I would consider a spec or limited type class.

[longballlumber]

why are you guys always trying to single me out!
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lol

[Darin Jordan]

Other than that...............what other controversy is there on this? Egos aside.

People hate simplicity in reading, tech'ing, and enforcing rules?
People hate having to think for themselves?
People are generally Socialists/Communists and want "The State" to make all their decisions for them?

All I could come up with off the top of my head...