P-Limited: WHAT is the INTENT?

[Darin Jordan]

If P limited becomes "vets need not apply" then at what point are you no longer allowed to run it?

We have one particular guy that had never raced boats show up with RTR boats. He had raced every other thing with a radio but not boats. He's a good driver and wins by driving well and finishing every time. He's got the boats running pretty well now too. Even won a class at the nats. Do I tell him he has to quit racing?........or find a better job? Not every experienced guy can afford 175 amp P+ beasts.

Being an experienced racer doesn't mean you win as a result either.

Our club will shrivel and die if the vets can't run limited.

My thoughts exactly, Terry (well... maybe not EXACTLY, but I agree... )... As I stated above: WHY would ONLY "newbies" be interested in parity, reduced costs, and more balanced competition?

Every club should consider it their responsibility to include a class for "newbies"... "Kids are Boaters Too", "Run-What-You-Brung", "RTR"... whatever... THAT is what brings racers along.

[T.S.Davis]

THAT is what brings racers along.

It's not just that. You have to spend time with them.

I recently had a guy ask me if I would modify the bottom of his Geico to match mine over the winter. I told him "nope"........"But if you come over to the house this winter we'll do it together."

Limiting the esc to the 60 amp stockers is like when you go to the store to buy trash bags. "I saved $.07 per bag on these off brand bags, sweet!" Then I go to carry the garbage out and it pukes all over my shoes. If I had just bought the Hefty bags in the first place.......

I Turnigy 120 is like $60. An Aquacraft from Tower is $89.98. The Turnigy will out live the boat.

[ray schrauwen]

I would say a tad nicer 4 sure!

The new Pro Boat RTR a ESCs are 120A programable units, very similar to the Hobbywings.

[obrien]

It's not just that. You have to spend time with them.

I recently had a guy ask me if I would modify the bottom of his Geico to match mine over the winter. I told him "nope"........"But if you come over to the house this winter we'll do it together."

Limiting the esc to the 60 amp stockers is like when you go to the store to buy trash bags. "I saved $.07 per bag on these off brand bags, sweet!" Then I go to carry the garbage out and it pukes all over my shoes. If I had just bought the Hefty bags in the first place.......

I Turnigy 120 is like $60. An Aquacraft from Tower is $89.98. The Turnigy will out live the boat.

This was my argument over the last few years with the impba guys in ga and sc. They have their heads so far up their butts (since the PC police are getting butt hurt) on having to run stock escs it's rediculous. I have wanted to go race in their series for a while but I along with several others won't because of this rule. I was able to buy the much better and cheaper turnigy 120 and have it last

I for one enjoy the p-limited racing because it is cheaper and competitive.

[obrien]

I see my comment was taken personal since Doug and I have had this conversation on more than one occasion

[Doug Smock]

I see my comment was taken personal since Doug and I have had this conversation on more than one occasion

No sir. You have to follow the same rules as everyone else here too.

[JimClark]

you are lucky it was Doug who spotted it. If it was me i would have deleted the whole post not just edited the word out..

I see my comment was taken personal since Doug and I have had this conversation on more than one occasion

[longballlumber]

This was my argument over the last few years with the impba guys in ga and sc. They have their heads so far up their butts (since the PC police are getting butt hurt) on having to run stock escs it's rediculous. I have wanted to go race in their series for a while but I along with several others won't because of this rule. I was able to buy the much better and cheaper turnigy 120 and have it last

I for one enjoy the p-limited racing because it is cheaper and competitive.

If that is TRULY the only reason your not racing with those guys, I will send you a controller that will fit their rules. YOU are missing out on a bunch of fun and (from my experience) a bunch of great dudes!

Are you currently burning up AQ controllers?

[obrien]

As a group the guys I used to race with went through the aq controllers left and right. And that was with stock props not over propping like some people like to think. So rather than continuing to waste money on those most of us went to cheaper more reliable controllers. Besides the point of p-spec racing was to save money. Right?

I am sure most of the guys up there are a great bunch. I know some of them personally from the tunnel boat racing I have done with them and they have always been good guys and fun to race with

[Doug Smock]

I'll tell you what Mr. Westbrook.
Please let me know how many P Limited boats you'd like to enter in our Nov. Grand Prix race in Sycamore, and I'll round the controls up for you. There will be plenty of time Sat am. to get them in your boats.

Email smockrc@bellsouth.net

I will be holding the District meeting at this race. I'll afford you the opportunity to explain to the D13 FE racers that you insulted above how they have it all wrong, and how they are missing out by not having a guy with your demeanor attend their races.

Now make sure you have your i's dotted, and t's crossed as they are running the same motors and ESCs that they started with six +years ago. The old tired above won't take you very far with this group.

Yes the D13 folks are great people. You'd be hard pressed to find a better boat racing family.

The race is up on Rcracingevents.com . Thanks and I'm looking forward to meeting you.

Sorry for the derailment NAMBA members!



D.

[T.S.Davis]

I will be holding the District meeting at this race. I'll afford you the opportunity to explain to the D13 FE racers that you insulted above how they have it all wrong.

OH!OH! Pick me mista cotter! Wait, where's it at? Never mind. Yer on yer own Doug. You've heard every argument I've got on the speedo thing. Pick any one of em and call it your own. It would actually be easier of there was a distinct advantage that we've seen on race days by running aftermarket esc but it just hasn't proven itself. Not sure what the "gotta be stock" gang is going to do now that a Proboat Blackjack comes with an 85amp speedo and the Impulse has even more.

Something that was mentioned to me at the pond "I don't understand what we're trying to fix".

It stuck with me. I'd have to say "nothing"..........yet. Unfortunately, some of us fear (maybe unjustified who knows really) that we've painted ourselves into a corner. We're down to a very short selection of motors. If any more vanish.......hosed.

When the AQ motors became the LSH motor choice instead of what was legal (700 motors) we suddenly were running classes that didn't exist. We were into uncharted territory. Major races had to tell everyone what the classes were because they weren't on paper. If we wait until we're hosed again to "fix" what's broken we fear it will be too late.

The point of all the hand wringing and ciphering is to put on the life vest before we fall in instead of trying to snap that sucker on once we're in the drink.

So did we ever really come to a conclusion on what the intent is?

Feels like it's:
Parity (ish)
Less cost (ish)
Manageable speeds but not so slow as to be a snore

hahaha The peoples classes more or less.

Is that kinda it?

[Darin Jordan]

Something that was mentioned to me at the pond "I don't understand what we're trying to fix".

Not trying to "fix"... Trying to SUSTAIN. We like what we have, performance wise, and it should be preserved.

And yes, starting the process now because motors ARE going away.

[trigger]

whats that old saying.....you can't please all the people all of the time, only some of the people some of the time..........

This feels like that, change is going to have to come sooner or later. Some people will be upset, some happy. Personally I'm a bit of both.

I see the whole limited section changing in the long haul as RTR's change and progress, P-limited will have to follow suit. Its the way of the world, one thing drops off and another takes its place.

[RaceMechaniX]

I have the solution:

4S
any number of parallel packs
Any capacity
Any motor
Any controller
Any prop

You just have to run one 60A (+/-) Maxi fuse. You blew it, it's a couple bucks to replace.
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You think someone is cheating, make him/her swap fuses with you or hand them out at a race.
You think 60A is too much, bump it down to 50A. Think it is not enough bump it to 80A.

They will fit in any boat and are easy to tech.
Sorry could not resist. I will get off the keyboard now and go back to building boats.

[obrien]

I'll be on my way to key west that weekend for the offshore races. The same old excuses go both ways. We will never see eye to eye on this issue. As far as insulting anyone I know better than to think it's the majority of the group. It's a select few that decided on the rule when the class was developing and the rest just went along with it. The guys I have meet don't care either way about the rule