P-Limited Motors - Im going to jump on the hot seat.

[dethow]

Personally... I think the only reason NAMBA should need to get away from the "list" and go with measurements is that NAMBA should NOT be dictating certain manufactures to racers. If I were TP Power, Leopard and others... I'd be upset that NAMBA has specifically cut them out of multiple racing classes.

[dethow]

Were it up to me... I wouldn't even change the name.

Okay, and that's where I'm at.
Leave the name, change the list of motors to measurements and add the diagram to show how measurements are taken.

Has been said several times... current P-Limited boats still fit and thus no ones boat is eliminated.

[T.S.Davis]

If I were TP Power, Leopard and others... I'd be upset that NAMBA has specifically cut them out of multiple racing classes.

It's hard to imagine but back in the day when we cooked that limited turd up there was no TP or Leapord motors. Brushless motors then were basically Hacker, Fiegao, and Lehner and that was about it. All of those 2 pole. We were looking for a replacement then for 700 brushed motors. We used the blue 1700kv motors from the original SV and the 1500kv grey motors from the original blackcrap cat. We didn't specifically exclude them. It wasn't deliberate is what I'm saying.

What we produced was a great spec for a number of years but with a shelf life. Newland and I have talked about that before. It held up longer than we thought it would.

Roll forward "x" number of years and we have just what Dave described. Exclusion. We're in effect keeping out new players like a Promarine for example. I keep coming back to Mike just because he's the newest guy to the market. Most know we have our differences but he should be able to produce something legal without some sort of divine intervention.

[dethow]

Yeah.. I understand it wasn't specifically done to exclude them. They didn't exist at the time.
I just saying that beside the various problems with the current list... the now existing exclusion should be enough reason to make a change.

And this measurements idea is the best way to make a change that should last the test of time allowing all current and future manufactures in if they fit the measurements.

[Darin Jordan]

And this measurements idea is the best way to make a change that should last the test of time allowing all current and future manufactures in if they fit the measurements.

And, absolute in interpretation and implementation when it comes to teching... GO/NOGO... Done.

[dethow]

And, absolute in interpretation and implementation when it comes to teching... GO/NOGO... Done.

So... how do we get this done, instead of going on for another 25 pages about it? LOL

[rayzerdesigns]

I'm thinking we need to write a proposal for the rule change

[madmikepags]

get er done

[Fluid]

.....If I were TP Power, Leopard and others... I'd be upset that NAMBA has specifically cut them out of multiple racing classes.

I think that those motor companies don't give a hoot about what a few dozen NAMBA Limited racers use to power their boats. Split this rather tiny market among three or four motor makers and it's nothing. Why are we worried about hurting their feelings? We should be worried about keeping the class viable.

There are a lot of things wrong with a measurement-only motor limitation, but I too believe that it is the least evil of the proposed motor limits. Maybe have a 1P limitation too.

I suggest that clubs start using this motor spec right now, so that we can make a rules proposal next year.



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[TRUCKPULL]

I think that those motor companies don't give a hoot about what a few dozen NAMBA Limited racers use to power their boats. Split this rather tiny market among three or four motor makers and it's nothing. Why are we worried about hurting their feelings? We should be worried about keeping the class viable.

There are a lot of things wrong with a measurement-only motor limitation, but I too believe that it is the least evil of the proposed motor limits. Maybe have a 1P limitation too.

I suggest that clubs start using this motor spec right now, so that we can make a rules proposal next year..

Jay
A 1P Limit will not work in "P" Spec Offshore - 4 Min. race.

Also a lot of boats that are already built and being used right now are setup for 4S -2P for weight and balance.

Larry

[Doby]

Jay
A 1P Limit will not work in "P" Spec Offshore - 4 Min. race.

Also a lot of boats that are already built and being used right now are setup for 4S -2P for weight and balance.

Larry

You do not need 2P to finish a 4 minute offshore heat.

[TRUCKPULL]

You do not need 2P to finish a 4 minute offshore heat.

No you do-not if you want to buy all new batteries 8,000 mAmp. then destroy them running them down to 10% all the time.

Then your weight and balance will be all messed up also.

The race is 4 min., 1 full lap for the start, then bring it in.
In IMPBA it is also 1 full lap cool down.

So you have to be prepared to run about 5 Min.++

Larry

[Fluid]

Jay
A 1P Limit will not work in "P" Spec Offshore - 4 Min. race....

Of course it will work, it just requires the racer to actually test his boat to make certain he can finish with some battery left. The boats might be slightly slower, but isn't that the point of Limited classes? At the Michigan Cup there was just a 2 lap difference between P and P Limited Offshore, some PL boats actually did better than some P boats. Geeze, you don't need to buy 8325 mAh cells! 1P/5000 mAh limit...and 1P cuts battery costs in half.

As for those with "boats being built", all they need to do is use balast instead of a second pack. Why is the concept so difficult to understand? I guess too much change at once is just too challenging for some folks...no offense to anyone intended.

I really don't care about 1P or 2P, I doubt I'll be racing Limited boats anymore. But I wonder if all we do is change to more powerful motors, how much difference will there really be between P and "P-Lite"? Just look at the Offshore classes at the Cup to see how close they are now.


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[TRUCKPULL]

Jay you are looking at total laps after three heats.
The full "P" boats are a lot faster therefore harder to drive.
One cut buoy is a full lap deduction.

"P" spec are easier to drive therefore the total lap count is higher in respective.

You did not comment on the 5+ Min. needed for IMPBA Offshore.

Larry

[JimClark]

Am I correct in my summation of this thread?
The classes affected would be:
P Limited Sport Hydro
P Limited Catamaran
P Limited OPC Tunnel
P Limited Hydro (rigger)
P Limited Mono
P Limited Offshore
The motors would be measured by diameter and length only.
Would it matter on the pole number (4 or 6)?
And 4s lipos