P-Limited Motors - Im going to jump on the hot seat.

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  • RandyatBBY
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Sep 2007
    • 3915

    #556
    Originally posted by T.S.Davis View Post
    bahaha I'm positive Randy means analytical. Nearly peed myself.
    Ya that is what I meant. My spelling sucks and spell check some times get it wrong. LOL
    Randy
    For ABS, Fiberglass, Carbon hulls and Stainless hardware
    BBY Racing

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    • Darin Jordan
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Apr 2007
      • 8332

      #557
      Originally posted by rayzerdesigns View Post
      awesome work darin, im liking my dynamite 1500s even more now..lol..that last load test is crazy, some motors well over 100 amps
      Yup...

      I was trying to find a prop that would load the DYNM1500 up to around 100A last night, and took it a LITTLE too far...

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      Motor IS still in one piece, however...
      Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
      "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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      • ray schrauwen
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Apr 2007
        • 9438

        #558
        Nice data, thank you!
        Nortavlag Bulc

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        • ray schrauwen
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Apr 2007
          • 9438

          #559
          Originally posted by T.S.Davis View Post
          The Turnigy and TP 60 series motors put out a lot of power if they can take the heat.
          I noticed that too. I like that Turnigy motor. The winding's are skewed like some Neu motors.
          Nortavlag Bulc

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          • Doby
            KANADA RULES!
            • Apr 2007
            • 7277

            #560
            Thanks for taking the time (and $$) to do this.
            Grand River Marine Modellers
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            • TRUCKPULL
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Apr 2007
              • 2971

              #561
              Darin
              What prop did you try, to get it to 186A and 112 F in about 13 seconds??

              According to your first picture of your setup, you have water cooling also on the motor. Was this working??

              Larry
              Past NAMBA- P Mono -1 Mile Race Record holder
              Past NAMBA- P Sport -1 Mile Race Record holder
              Bump & Grind Racing Props -We Like Em Smooth & Wet

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              • Darin Jordan
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Apr 2007
                • 8332

                #562
                Originally posted by TRUCKPULL View Post
                Darin
                What prop did you try, to get it to 186A and 112 F in about 13 seconds??

                According to your first picture of your setup, you have water cooling also on the motor. Was this working??

                Larry
                I haven't been using water cooling for these tests. Not necessary, since I haven't been running them more than 10-seconds each test run.

                I have been water cooling the ESC in order to keep it consistent and not a factor.

                These final tests will also be done without water cooling the motor. I want to be able to measure the actual starting and ending temperatures.

                The prop was "BIG"... I don't think I'd recommend running a motor like this at those kind of amps. Likely wouldn't last a lap. Not to mention, did you notice the massive RPM drop? Definitely overloaded!
                Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
                "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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                • Darin Jordan
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 8332

                  #563
                  Originally posted by TRUCKPULL View Post
                  Darin
                  What prop did you try,
                  Also, keep in mind... when I'm talking "Prop"... I'm talking about an AIRPLANE Prop... something to provide a specific load.
                  Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
                  "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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                  • T.S.Davis
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 6228

                    #564
                    Originally posted by Darin Jordan View Post
                    Yup...

                    I was trying to find a prop that would load the DYNM1500 up to around 100A last night, and took it a LITTLE too far...
                    2600 watts!......

                    That last one is actually Darin checking to see if his eyebrows are still there.

                    Darin, are you thinking about using a gears to tweak in the right amperage? I might have an old turbo trans kicking around.
                    Noisy person

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                    • Brushless55
                      Creator
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 9479

                      #565
                      Originally posted by T.S.Davis View Post
                      The Turnigy and TP 60 series motors put out a lot of power if they can take the heat.
                      I've run the Turnigy motor in my JAE with the same setup as my AQ2030 and AQ1800, and in 2 laps the Turnigy motor when I brought it in to check was 159*f
                      .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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                      • ray schrauwen
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 9438

                        #566
                        Wow, thats hot!

                        Did you change your timing to zero since it is a D wind compared to the Y wind of the others?
                        Nortavlag Bulc

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                        • Brushless55
                          Creator
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 9479

                          #567
                          Originally posted by ray schrauwen View Post
                          Wow, thats hot!

                          Did you change your timing to zero since it is a D wind compared to the Y wind of the others?
                          yes Ray I did change the timing to make sure I was testing the motor correctly from the start and to be as fair as I could with it
                          I dropped it to 0 or 3.75* from the 11.25* that I was running with the AQ motors with a T120 esc
                          I would need to power up the boat to check to be 100% sure
                          .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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                          • rayzerdesigns
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Dec 2013
                            • 1228

                            #568
                            Originally posted by Darin Jordan View Post
                            Yup...

                            I was trying to find a prop that would load the DYNM1500 up to around 100A last night, and took it a LITTLE too far...

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                            Motor IS still in one piece, however...
                            Funny thing.. I have had a couple of these motors constantly above 160.. They still run fine.. At nats in colorado in p limited offshore i ran all 4 heats with same motor.. Temps were right at 170 after 4 minutes.. That motor is still in my mono running strong.. Im a believer

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                            • T.S.Davis
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 6228

                              #569
                              That's what I meant. If they can take the heat there's more available power. I get my Neu motors hot with little fear. If you you take a 2030 to those temps you need a new 2030.
                              Noisy person

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                              • Darin Jordan
                                Fast Electric Addict!
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 8332

                                #570
                                Originally posted by T.S.Davis View Post
                                That's what I meant. If they can take the heat there's more available power. I get my Neu motors hot with little fear. If you you take a 2030 to those temps you need a new 2030.
                                I would NOT expect these motors to "take the heat" like that for more than a lap... I ran this on the bench for only about 13-seconds... That's not even to the back straight on a pace lap if it were on the course...

                                Guys... do NOT take these tests as planning material for your next race event. I'm purposefully pushing things to their maximums under controlled conditions in an attempt to glean some info that will let potential be compared between various motor options. I can assure you that if you try to push 175+ amps through one of these in your boat, well....

                                Don't be "newbs"... think critically and take the info for what it is...
                                Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
                                "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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