NAMBA P-Ltd Motor discussion

[PatrickM]

This is what I said some 200 post ago. Get on the stick Dave Newland or your winter racing of P LTD with Present motors will be up in smoke.

Damn Randy!.... when did you return to the political arena?

Remember the primary rule in RC boating... STAY AWAY FROM THE GRAY!!!!!

[DPeterson]

Doby

I hate to say it...but Cheese Head Peterson is doing the right thing...(god that hurts)

Can someone that lives close to Doby go and check on him. I think he may have fallen down and hit his head. LOL

For the record
While I am totally done with Tower/AQ and will never run another 2030, I am a huge supporter of Dave Newland and his efforts to lead FE in NAMBA. When reasonable compromise is considered along with some geographical representation, all will be good.

For what my opinion is worth - when the rules are opened up for more than one manufacture to particpate, I believe most of the issues will be solved. Competition amoung motor suppliers is not a bad thing.

Rule proposal - 36mm x 60mm can size limit, 1800 - 2100 KV, All motors must be approved and listed by the NAMBA technical committee. Technical committee to determine further motor limitations. New motor applications must be submitted and approved 1 year prior to any NAMBA Nationals.

Not that hard really. Carry on gents with some productive conversation.

Doug

[Namba328]

Doby


Can someone that lives close to Doby go and check on him. I think he may have fallen down and hit his head. LOL

For the record
While I am totally done with Tower/AQ and will never run another 2030, I am a huge supporter of Dave Newland and his efforts to lead FE in NAMBA. When reasonable compromise is considered along with some geographical representation, all will be good.

For what my opinion is worth - when the rules are opened up for more than one manufacture to particpate, I believe most of the issues will be solved. Competition amoung motor suppliers is not a bad thing.

Rule proposal - 36mm x 60mm can size limit, 1800 - 2100 KV, All motors must be approved and listed by the NAMBA technical committee. Technical committee to determine further motor limitations. New motor applications must be submitted and approved 1 year prior to any NAMBA Nationals.

Not that hard really. Carry on gents with some productive conversation.

Doug

[jaike5]

I Live close to Doby.....well not within swinging distance! You don't have to worry about motors on Thursday race evenings, Doby's rules are last boat can cut pins 4,5,6, any guesses who's boat is last. lmao ! All Canadian are not like him.

Cheers, Jay.

[T.S.Davis]

So I was watching a movie. Johnny Dep was behind bars listening to another cell mate talking about the Pearl. "No survivors, then where do you suppose all the stories come from?"

Made me think.......if the heat misers aren't having and problems........how did they come up with the 125 degree recommended temp?

[D. Newland]

Terry, I think your time would be better spent focusing on your own setups. The way you are carrying on with this is starting to be absurd, IMO.

I have lost motors. I've said that. It's part of limited racing. I have also said that my failures are few and far between and I accept the failures that I've had.

Also, I'm a resource to my club mates and to other racers I race with across the country. I'm asked questions. I watch their setups. I see what happens out there.

I draw conclusions. I have success, and I typed up 2400 words outlining how I handle my P-Ltd setups for the benefit of those that are interested.

Maybe you could do something constructive like that for the group? I'd actually be genuinely interested in what you have to say.

[rayzerdesigns]

ok guys..not standing up for anyone here be it david or terry..or anyone else..if you want equality there is only one way..that is a single spec motor sealed..sure club races people are gonna cheat and im sure at national levels..i come from the car racing scene, and the only way to keep it 100% fair is a spec handout motor..i have been doing the car racing for 25 plus years..if you are so worried about motors being faster or not then this is the only option..at any nationals if you want fairness it needs to be a handout motor..cans are easy to mark so you cntell if they have been tampered with..im not saying this at a club level..but pick one motor if you want to keep it 100 fair..sure people are going to push the limits of any motor..but me being new to the boating scene have not burned up a 2030 motor..and to quote mr grim they are making changes to the 2030 that will make it much more reliable..hats off to him and aq..I don't see any other mfgs doing that..sure when you build a big number of motors or boats or electronics you are gonna have bad batches..thats a given..but it happens..im not telling anyone to run out and buy ot not buy or how to run a club or a national event..but the only 100% fair and equal way to do that is one motor and manufacturer..yes that will piss off other mfgrs..but tht is a downside..i myself have no problem with the rules the way they are..i like the choice to have a couple to choose from..iff you don't like the aq motors then run the pb motors..sure they aren't gonna make them anymore..so guess its aq for me..also comig from the car scene, just like the boating scene..the stock classes are usually where all the money is spent pushing electronics to the edge..i have done it and still do it for big events..so enough of the grumbling here guys..either run a motor on the list or not..if you don't like spec racing and again its not for all, but im pretty sure they are the biggest classes..then don't run them..i have enjoyed boating for the reasons of the comraderie, and friends I have made..its so much more laid back and people help..i invite anyone to come to a national event either in onroad or offroad..you will see how much secrecy there is..lets enjoy the rules how they are unless you want a single motor for spec..there are ups and downs to everyones opinions..and that's what they are..opinions..but we have leaders setup in organizations that I believe have the best interst of this hobby in mind..and im sure they here all of the bickering nonstop..put yourself in their shoes..its not easy..i have been there..never want to do it again..enough..lets race..is it az season yet??

[Doby]

ok guys..not standing up for anyone here be it david or terry..or anyone else..if you want equality there is only one way..that is a single spec motor sealed..sure club races people are gonna cheat and im sure at national levels..i come from the car racing scene, and the only way to keep it 100% fair is a spec handout motor..i have been doing the car racing for 25 plus years..if you are so worried about motors being faster or not then this is the only option..at any nationals if you want fairness it needs to be a handout motor..cans are easy to mark so you cntell if they have been tampered with.

How can the car race guys cheat so much if motors are handed out at the races?



Are people really that shallow that they need to cheat?

I'm sure everyone at the FE Nats this year cheated...its the only way all those spec boats finished...both the RTRs and the custom builds. Did anyone actually check the motors used? I don't think so.

I guess the boaters are more trustworthy and honest than the car guys.

[DPeterson]

A few reasons why a single motor supplier is a fail:

The intent of the P-Limited rules class was for all purposes positive. However as it progressed the AQ 2030 came out as the motor of choice. Then PB not only did not keep up with one of their own but discontinued the other motor options.

The AQ motor quality then dropped and the price went up. The blame is put on the motor manufacturer and the customer. One of the larger Distributors lies about the motor issues and the Brand AQ does nothing to hold up its integrity.

There is no acknowledgment of the motor quality issues but yet "upgrades" were made. The upgraded motors are only available when the others have been purged from the inventory. This means us dumb suckers had to purchase the lower quality motors before the others would be made available. Other than a few select racers receiving theirs.

Anyone else feel like a sheep and every now and then you get pulled out of the herd and - you know. Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa

Carry on! Baaa Baaa Baaa

[rayzerdesigns]

really doby..people find ways...hence why handout motors..there was a big race earlier this summer..they didn't use handout motors..out of the top 10 finishers 3 were found to have illegal stators..rotors..its all stuff that can be teched..and was..im not saying it happens in boating..im just saying if you want it to be 100 perv
cent fair..at a natu
ional or big race..handout sealed motors are the way to do it.

[rayzerdesigns]

A few reasons why a single motor supplier is a fail:

The intent of the P-Limited rules class was for all purposes positive. However as it progressed the AQ 2030 came out as the motor of choice. Then PB not only did not keep up with one of their own but discontinued the other motor options.

The AQ motor quality then dropped and the price went up. The blame is put on the motor manufacturer and the customer. One of the larger Distributors lies about the motor issues and the Brand AQ does nothing to hold up its integrity.

There is no acknowledgment of the motor quality issues but yet "upgrades" were made. The upgraded motors are only available when the others have been purged from the inventory. This means us dumb suckers had to purchase the lower quality motors before the others would be made available. Other than a few select racers receiving theirs.

Anyone else feel like a sheep and every now and then you get pulled out of the herd and - you know. Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa

Carry on! Baaa Baaa Baaa

doug cant we all get along?? aq is working on the problem..mr grimm has posted what they are doing to fix the issue..yes they have backstock..and im sure some people got bad motors..tha happens with mass production in anything..hell look at real cars..look how many recalls are out there..it happens..i for one congratulate aq for trying to fix the problem..as for proboat..maybe they will come out with another motor..who knows..i have 3 of the 2030s yes one is considerably faster and runs cooler than the others..but that's with any brushless motors..next time you come to a race I will bring out my measuring equipment and show you how much difference there is in any two or more of the same motor..and I also believe even if they fix problems with the 2030s, were just gonna push them harder..thats just spec in general..but to me that's half of the fun with spec..seeing how much I can get out of it..

[madmikepags]

Been racing cars for 25+ years and even "handout" motors are BS. I was sponsored by one of the "Big" companies for a while and when we went to races that were "handout" motors, there was a seperate box of "handout" motors for the team drivers, and they always had 10-15% more power than the other guys "handout" motors.

[rayzerdesigns]

I would like to hear how your testing goes with the tp motor..maybe its better..maybe its not..only way to know is to run it..i do think that the cost is a little heavy ..but that's my opinion..i also think that the plimited rules are fine..and still continues to be the biggest classes..its not anyones fault that only one manufacturer is still amking motors..please let us all know how the testing goes

[Doby]

Been racing cars for 25+ years and even "handout" motors are BS. I was sponsored by one of the "Big" companies for a while and when we went to races that were "handout" motors, there was a seperate box of "handout" motors for the team drivers, and they always had 10-15% more power than the other guys "handout" motors.

Wow...corruption seems to run rampant in this hobby.

[DPeterson]

rayzer

i do think that the cost is a little heavy ..but that's my opinion

AQ 2030 at Tower - $80.00
TP 3630 from TP - $85.00

Yup - $5.00 heavy. I am betting that for the xtra $5.00 I will have twice the motor.