NAMBA P-Ltd Motor discussion

[Darin Jordan]

Darin,don't think anyone has asked and I was just wondering...what motor is PB putting in IM31's and BJ29's these days?

I think the IM31s are out of stock ("on Backorder"), and the BJ29's that are on the shelf would have the same PB/DYN 1800's they've always had.

I believe that, if anything new were to be supplied, it would begin in an updated version of an existing hull, or a new boat all together.

I'm not sure whether or not they have more IM31's on the way.

[R.J.S]

Thanks f the reply Darin...big changes at PB as well as AQ!

[Namba328]

Darin, you're exactly right. That rule verbage is only for motors to be allowed to race that aren't on the "approved" list. I put it there to help get a motor "legal" while we worked through the actual rule proposal to get it on the list.

Terry-Your district can propose a Neu 1527 1D to the P-Ltd Motor list in the next NAMBA Propwash, if you think it's a good idea. it will ruin the class, IMO, but you guys can do it. And, I'm using the 1527 as an extreme example.

ANY motor that gets proposed better be vetted. There are just as many that will leave P-Ltd racing if the rule is changed as there are threatening to leave if nothing gets done. Please understand that.

As I've stated many times, I don't feel P-Ltd needs a motor list change right now.

And, we went with our gut, as well as some simple parameters, regarding the current motor list. Weight, size, Kv, and what we were seeing on the water. We didn't dive into the Manufacturers specs to see if they should make the list, or not, for the reasons stated earlier in this thread.

why not add the neu 1515 2D its a 2050kv so close to the aquacraft 2030kv and its only $210. However if it was my opinion Dave. We should make this change about the size of the can and a kv range instead of a goofy rtr spec crap. Now I personally haven't blown up a aquacraft 2030kv motor yet(knocks on wood) and I have a gen 1 and 3 gen 2's and I've been one of the lucky ones but I run smaller boats. I also run very efficient hulls only due to my nitro back ground. But I can say that I've personally have ran as big of a prop as a x645 and a balanced and sharpened s-15 on my p-ltd rigger and Im running aquacraft 60amp esc's with added DIY 3000uf cap banks. I've also ran seaking/atomik 60amp esc's with out cap banks and had no problems. But like I said earlier in this lil rant. We outa make this class restrictions based on the size of the can and come up with a kv range that's lets say 1500kv to no more the 2100kv that way people can afford to budget race and still be competitive. Because there are a few racers who are just starting out or started running this class in these last few years and I'd hate to see them all leave cause we change the rules and allow much more powerful more expensive motors into this class and thus making there current setups obsolete. Just my $.02 as a going on 17year racer of these wonderful toys in this awesome hobby.

[Grimracer]

Well.. I got some time so............
The changes are.......
Segmented Magnets
Carbon Fiber mag wrap
Fiberglass wire sleeves
Heavy insulating varnish on .013" hard copper wires
Updated stator construction

That’s all I got.. Choose your weapon!
I am out of here.. time to go racing and lets let the chips fall where they might. I am signed off…
Grimracer

[rayzerdesigns]

ok guys..i will throw my 2 cents in here..as being a newbie this year..i dont know why these guys burn up motors..until last month all i had was p limited boats..i read up on all the posts i could find..then went and purchased a aq2030 as that as what all the fast guys i could see winning were using..i have raced that cat all season along with countless batteries sport boating...i pulled that motor and put a bigger motor in that cat to go faster...that didnt last..destroyed that hull..well in went the 2030 into another cat..all be it im not great on setups..but that motor is still in my new cat and running strong..maybe i have a good one..but i do have a spare..i have been in the rc industry for over 25 years..all electric..and i doubt anyone can call my cat slow..but you just have to use some common sense..when i test a new setup..im all about stopping and temping motor after a minute or two..ive had far more speedo failures in my boats than motors...ok well except for my modern..thats another story..any motor is going to blow up or melt..whatever you want to call it if abused...i for one DO NOT want to loose the p limited classes..its what got me into this hobby..spec is and always will be a hard class..if you look into car racing..more people spend more on stock?spec motors and things to go fast with them than a modified motor..yes the parametes are thier also..but you will always see people blow up a stock motor much more frequently than a modified one..why...because they push the limits to get the most out of them..the boating scen in my eyes hasnt seen the like of cycling and charging at 40 plus amps of batteries..well maybe a few of us..but i love the spec classes..speeds are fast enough and def more entries...i for one want to race the most amount of people..not have 2 or 3 boats in a class..if you dont like the spec classes, then dont run them..but dont hate on the ones that do and enjoy it..and to agree with mr newland..the spec class is what is bringing in newer people to race..including myself..rant over..when is our season starting david??

[rayzerdesigns]

I would like to suggest, in all this discussion, that we all keep in mind one pretty important point:

The whole nature of this class STARTED with the introduction of the RTR SV27, and was quickly followed up with the UL-1, Miss Geico, IM31, Revolt, Motley Crew, etc.... Now TFL is entering the mix, and it looks to me like Atomix/Venom and maybe even Traxxas could offer entries as some point here.

RTR offerings, and RTR power systems, are the very BASIS for the existence of the P-LTD framework. The classes, to this very day, are FILLED with Revolts and Miss Geicos and Mystics and Motley Crews and Lucas Oils and BlackJack 29s, etc.

Some of you may not see this in your areas, but in areas with a LOT of growth and a lot of Nitro converts, or FE newbies, these boats form the BASIS with which they enter into the racing ranks. I can provide pictures from the 2014 NAMBA Nationals with Nitro FE converts racing in the Exhibition FE classes and standing on the podium in classes like P-Mono, smiling and holding their AQ Revolts. (Heck, one was ALMOST standing up there with a very over-powered IM31.. :)

These RTRs are the very FOUNDATION of many racing organizations and race classes in NAMBA. Without them, you would simply NOT have the amount of participation that we enjoy today.

Anything you do with motor rules NEEDS to keep these offerings in mind. Anything you specify needs to be competitive with THEM, not the other way around.

And for those who think that the RTRs aren't or can't be competitive, all you have to do is look at the race entries for many of these classes, especially the Mono and Cat classes. At least out here, there are RTR hulls that are usually on the podium, or not far off the pace. Maybe we're just all beginners??

AND, every one of these drivers at some point, decides they want to do more, and show up with Mean Machines or some other custom built creation, with their RTR power system on board, and begin moving up in the ranks.

It's all starting, however, with that off-the-shelf offerings, those pesky Ready-to-Run boats, that got these drivers started... and hooked... on this incredibly fun racing pass-time.

very well said darin

[rayzerdesigns]

Because your boats do 21 laps per month? Plus, which generation of motor are you talking about? A motor that took Pete a couple years to injure was replaced with a motor that survived 6 runs. Pete's not doing anything crazy with his setups that I've seen. Although, without data, that might be a ridiculous statement. Someone could have slipped into his house and changed his setup between motors so that the new motor was drawing another 30 amps or something. Cuz that happens all the time.

The attraction, I think/thought, to limited classes is/was the low cost. Now there are superior motors for the same or less cost but we've boxed ourselves into a corner with the motor spec. There we will stay. I let it happen too. I was part of the process. Blew it. Sorry guys.

Doesn't matter. I'll get out. This will be my last season on them. I clearly don't have the skill to race in such a technically demanding class. Maybe when there are no motors NAMBA will figure out a solution.

It's much like N1. It wasn't until the class was nearly completely uncontested that a change was possible. The argument was EXACTLY the same then.
"You can't make a brushed motor fast because you lack the skill. If you had any ability you wouldn't need a better motor"

Déjà vu

Another fun one was LiPo vs NiMh. "you just want to throw power at your setups instead of working them and tweaking them to get the most out of them".
That one also included "we're all gonna die" arguments to add to the joy.

Déjà vu

Nayman said it best "it's like pushing a rope"

i have a newer verrsion im sure terry..and can guarantee at least 60 to 70 batteries through it..still runs stron..i do have a spare..but its still in the box

[D. Newland]

..when is our season starting david??

Between my renewed interest in OSE forums and my 2400 word thesis on P-ltd motors, I knew I was forgetting something!

[rayzerdesigns]

simple.. very good.. enjoy the updated motors!

Grim

really..im in..make them please..lol..jk..i still rock my original 2030

[rayzerdesigns]

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Well.. I got some time so............
The changes are.......
Segmented Magnets
Carbon Fiber mag wrap
Fiberglass wire sleeves
Heavy insulating varnish on .013" hard copper wires
Updated stator construction

That’s all I got.. Choose your weapon!
I am out of here.. time to go racing and lets let the chips fall where they might. I am signed off…
Grimracer

when are these going to be made available michael

[Doug Smock]

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Well.. I got some time so............
The changes are.......
Segmented Magnets
Carbon Fiber mag wrap
Fiberglass wire sleeves
Heavy insulating varnish on .013" hard copper wires
Updated stator construction

That’s all I got.. Choose your weapon!
I am out of here.. time to go racing and lets let the chips fall where they might. I am signed off…
Grimracer

Thank you sir.

[DPeterson]

Grim

Except the cat that heads it up is a really nice guy and works his tail off trying to manage all those people and products..

Best to have this guy call me. 608-393-7960 And best to distance yourself from this issue. Not sure why you want to be in the middle. As you said you do not work for them. They should not have forwarded my communications with them to you. They did not inform me of this and I did not authorize it.

Absolutely laughable on how many Business/Marketing fails took place by Tower Hobbies AQ in the last couple years on selling rtr boats and equipment. No. 1 - Know and understand your customers needs and requirements. 2. - Monitor, analize and react to changing marketing conditions. 3. - Secure and control your supplier network. 4. - Maintain a quality control level satisfactory to meet customers requirements. 5. - Maintain a high level of Customer service.
These are all Business and marketing basics 101. IMO none of these were met. I know these are not fortune 500 companies, but come on.

Stranger yet - where was Proboat when all this implosion was taking place? You see an opening and you take it.

Even stranger - the motor price went up and the quality went down. And according to all these threads - it's all our (the customers) fault. LOL.

Doug

[ray schrauwen]

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Well.. I got some time so............
The changes are.......
Segmented Magnets
Carbon Fiber mag wrap
Fiberglass wire sleeves
Heavy insulating varnish on .013" hard copper wires
Updated stator construction

That’s all I got.. Choose your weapon!
I am out of here.. time to go racing and lets let the chips fall where they might. I am signed off…
Grimracer

NIce motor man! No more Grimm

[Grimracer]

Doug,

I understand you are done with tower and Aquacraft..

You have a FE race plan.. sounds like one that might work out for ya..

Im done with this thread and want others to know I have ZERO hard feelings for you or your decisions..

Grimracer

[Brushless55]

Doug,

I understand you are done with tower and Aquacraft..

You have a FE race plan.. sounds like one that might work out for ya..

Im done with this thread and want others to know I have ZERO hard feelings for you or your decisions..

Grimracer

I love everything you do for us Grim!
just wish I had a spare AQ2030 motor for this weekends finals at NAMBA20 for my P-ltd rigger
I got a speedo wet last time out and it blew the esc and motor