Weigh in on motor comparision for 1:10 scale!

[Coug90]

Terry, and Doug, I suppose...

The TP is an electric motor... When you find the REAL "step over" point, it's going to "frishizzle" as well.

In the meantime, at least in the context of a "mulitple-Motor allowance" "Limited/Spec" class, you've just defined a new "class of the field", "gotta have one to win", power system. Once everyone realizes that, they'll all get them (look at all those just jumping on board already... as if a different motor is going to fix all their setup issues... ), then everyone will be pushing them beyond what they were designed for (just like we are doing now with the current motors), and then they will start having "reliability" issues, and then the "frishizzling" will begin again, as will the bitching about motor quality.

Then we can start this all over again...

Gotta love Racing 101...

Of course, if you are defining a 1-Motor class... it's all good.

You guys are really lighting it up on this thread. I suspect there is some history between some of you. It just proves that we love it enough to care I guess. My goal is not to to worry about how fast the boats go. For a good class like this, I think you have to be as careful as you can not to put a motor in there that has an inherent advantage over the others. If we can do our homework, I think we can do that and give more options for NAMBA rules racing. I can't think of any more fun racing than what I've experienced in 1:10 scale over the years, but it's obviously not for everyone. I'm with Darin and believe that setup and the small adjustments that come with learning your boat are what has been what's made the difference for me. I call it "finesse" racing vs "power" racing. It's more about philosophy than anything else and we all fall somewhere along the range between the two. I think that's part of the fun. We all know guys who constantly melt stuff down, regardless of what motor they run because it's never fast enough, especially in spec classes. I think it's a challenge against human nature maybe. You could argue about it forever.

To change tracks a little and get more info from you guys, could any of you tell me of an effective way to bench test motors under load and compare them? Have any of you ever done that. We did it before, but I don't know how it was all set up. Is there a fairly affordable way to do this. What would you measure when comparing motors on the bench. Maybe there's a thread or web page you can refer me to? So far, all that I've been able to do this time is test in the boats and compare speeds with the different setups and props and monitor temps. Have you guys done anything different to compare motors. I know on the bench we used airplane props as a load and a power supply to give a consistent power to the motors. What is the biggest telling factor to look for in comparing for similar motor performance under load? You guys have been great, so please keep sharing the knowledge, thanks.

[Coug90]

Yes, racing is racing at any speed. Unless...............that speed inspires too few to participate. Then nobody is racing.

I don't know where you race, but from what I can see here and from what I hear from folks around the country, 1:10 scale is a fast growing class. Guys out here could run anything they want, but they choose to run 1:10 scales in great numbers. This class in NAMBA has only been around a short time, but I see them running in several other states and growing in popularity. Is that not accurate? I wouldn't measure top shelf just by who shows up at nationals. I think a lot of really top notch racers can't always make the trip to nationals. It's not as though you have to earn your way in order to compete there each year. I think you get most of your great racing in the scale boats on the local level for sure, at least that has been my experience. I've never raced at nationals, but I can tell you that when it comes to 1:10 scale, we have some pretty stiff competition out west. Some day nationals will be up here again and you will see a huge 1:10 scale turnout for that one. I'd love to be a part of that again.

[jimmejames]

For those unaware of the speed and excitement in 1/10 scale racing out here in Washington, check out this video of the 2014 Roger Newton Memorial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhd0vGwD-uQ

These are running NAMBA legal motors, mostly the Himax 3630 1500kV.

[Doby]

they do look fun!

[monojeff]

For those unaware of the speed and excitement in 1/10 scale racing out here in Washington, check out this video of the 2014 Roger Newton Memorial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhd0vGwD-uQ

These are running NAMBA legal motors, mostly the Himax 3630 1500kV.

Looks like some great weather to be racing in.
I must bring wind and rain or something when I go racing.
Great video look forward to next season hopefully making a few more races!!

[monojeff]

I don't know where you race, but from what I can see here and from what I hear from folks around the country, 1:10 scale is a fast growing class. Guys out here could run anything they want, but they choose to run 1:10 scales in great numbers. This class in NAMBA has only been around a short time, but I see them running in several other states and growing in popularity. Is that not accurate? I wouldn't measure top shelf just by who shows up at nationals. I think a lot of really top notch racers can't always make the trip to nationals. It's not as though you have to earn your way in order to compete there each year. I think you get most of your great racing in the scale boats on the local level for sure, at least that has been my experience. I've never raced at nationals, but I can tell you that when it comes to 1:10 scale, we have some pretty stiff competition out west. Some day nationals will be up here again and you will see a huge 1:10 scale turnout for that one. I'd love to be a part of that again.

Count me and my soon to be 3rd boat in if that happens Mitch!
Maybe we should just work on setting up an "official" Namba Scale Nationals event up here or something in the next year or two!

[TheShaughnessy]

For those unaware of the speed and excitement in 1/10 scale racing out here in Washington, check out this video of the 2014 Roger Newton Memorial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhd0vGwD-uQ

These are running NAMBA legal motors, mostly the Himax 3630 1500kV.

What size was that course? Seemed like a captivating speed, couple of boats looked pretty damn loose a couple times

[T.S.Davis]

I can not explain the sudden interest in scale here in MI. We've had guys saying they were going to do some scales for years. They never showed up. A few sure but never enough to make them go. We even had them on our club points list. Still a bust.

We'll see next season if we can turn some heats.

[T.S.Davis]

I wouldn't measure top shelf just by who shows up at nationals. I think a lot of really top notch racers can't always make the trip to nationals.

That's absolutely true. Traveling to any race can be dough intensive. Especially a 4 or 5 day gig. However, I can't discount the achievements of those that win national championships based on location. That's like saying "yeah, you won but you didn't race our guys so it doesn't count". That's not fair. Our club is typically pretty strong where LSH is concerned. An LSH championship on the east or west coast doesn't mean less because our guys weren't there.

I'll dig into my old files. I am curious how long our club (MMEU) has been toying with the scale idea and been unable to execute. haha I suppose we still haven't. It's all talk until the boats hit the water.

Sorry Mitch. We murdered your thread.

[ron1950]

one everyone sees those gorgeous 10th scales on the water they will want one...they are not the fastest but very competive...I know I love to see them slide around a corner and try to stay upright hopping and skipping over wakes...

[Todd Fleury]

It will be great to have a bunch of 1/10 scales hit the water in MI this year. Terry, I think the two motors that are available, should be fine for this season. If we wish to address this issue at a later date, that would be great. But let us just get the class going.

[T.S.Davis]

Your probably right. Plus that way when we get our butts to another nats we'll be prepared. Like if we host again.......in 2025 or so.

[rayzerdesigns]

well..trying to upload a short clip..but cant figure it out..just a start clip..but boat is running great

[Coug90]

That's absolutely true. Traveling to any race can be dough intensive. Especially a 4 or 5 day gig. However, I can't discount the achievements of those that win national championships based on location. That's like saying "yeah, you won but you didn't race our guys so it doesn't count". That's not fair. Our club is typically pretty strong where LSH is concerned. An LSH championship on the east or west coast doesn't mean less because our guys weren't there.

I'll dig into my old files. I am curious how long our club (MMEU) has been toying with the scale idea and been unable to execute. haha I suppose we still haven't. It's all talk until the boats hit the water.

Sorry Mitch. We murdered your thread.

The guys who win at nationals did it because they earned it, just like any winner of any race. I would never discount anybody's win either. That goes without saying and that's why I didn't say it originally. I'm not here to start trouble. No worries about the thread getting murdered. Before you guys all got into the chat, it was on life support. They get a little off track sometimes though and it's hard to bring them back. I guess you could start a new thread for a different subject you want to get into. No problem here though.

[rayzerdesigns]

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