Traxxas Titan

[Steven Vaccaro]

Well Steve if I think like one of their army of lawyers or marketing dopes, I would say that it's because they aren't comparing it to ready-to-race boats. They're comparing it to trademark stamped Ready-To-Race® boats... So that would make the Spurtin® faster than a Villain I guess. :)

I'm with ya! I forgot the "Ready to Race" thing was theirs.

I'm dying to put it up against a Geico out of the box.

[7500RPM]

If it is like Traxxas mini E Revo, on 2 battery packs, which I have driven, this boat will be a bullet on 6S, remember "Factory" out of the Box, no other hopups

[7500RPM]

I'm with ya! I forgot the "Ready to Race" thing was theirs.

I'm dying to put it up against a Geico out of the box.

The Geico needs more POWER out of the box..should have come with an 1800KV motor. This way at least you are still using "P" power 4S, not 5S to get the same speed...it is a large boat!

[Steven Vaccaro]

The Geico needs more POWER out of the box..should have come with an 1800KV motor. This way at least you are still using "P" power 4S, not 5S to get the same speed...it is a large boat!

Same speed as what? I'm getting over 30mph with a stock prop and 4s and quite happy. Its the same speed Traxxas is advertising their boat will run on 4s.

[Darin Jordan]

The Geico needs more POWER out of the box..should have come with an 1800KV motor. This way at least you are still using "P" power 4S, not 5S to get the same speed...it is a large boat!

I find it amusing how many of you think that KV means "more power"...

If your Geico isn't fast enough, you aren't prop'ing it correctly.

That being said... We also wanted the Geico to SURVIVE the average "RTR" boater... Guys that want to run them for 5+ minutes and run the cells to cutoff, etc.

It's NOT being marketed as a "Race Boat"... it's a FANTASTIC RTR, that CAN be raced... I assure you, had I wanted it to be marketed as a "Race Boat", it would have been one of the fastest. I think I know how to make that happen by now.

I'll believe all this Traxxas Hype when I see it. It's a tuperware boat, that should be capable of decent speeds, but we'll see just how "race ready" it really is... that involves a hell of a lot more than a quick GPS pass at 50mph...

[johnf]

If you throw aside the marketing, and look at it for what it is, I think it has the potential to be a very fun toy. I'd run it on 4s and be happy. Guess we will just have to see how they hold up.

[7500RPM]

I find it amusing how many of you think that KV means "more power"...

If your Geico isn't fast enough, you aren't prop'ing it correctly.

That being said... We also wanted the Geico to SURVIVE the average "RTR" boater... Guys that want to run them for 5+ minutes and run the cells to cutoff, etc.

It's NOT being marketed as a "Race Boat"... it's a FANTASTIC RTR, that CAN be raced... I assure you, had I wanted it to be marketed as a "Race Boat", it would have been one of the fastest. I think I know how to make that happen by now.

I'll believe all this Traxxas Hype when I see it. It's a tuperware boat, that should be capable of decent speeds, but we'll see just how "race ready" it really is... that involves a hell of a lot more than a quick GPS pass at 50mph...

Interesting Darin, It was not until I moved the rudder that this boat was starting to show some promise in speed, BUT the Super Vee, motor is approx 1800KV and has been very reliable. I use the same prop on the Vee as the Geico, and I have played with many props, and still the Vee is faster..going to swap out the proboat motor for the old blue super vee motor..I guess we will see..

[Steven Vaccaro]

If you throw aside the marketing, and look at it for what it is, I think it has the potential to be a very fun toy. I'd run it on 4s and be happy. Guess we will just have to see how they hold up.

I agree. I also look at it this way, it took them about 3 years to finally catch up. It better be good.

[Brushless55]

Yeah, I just did an article in the current RC Driver magazine that covers that... The supervee 27R on stock Nimh, stock prop does 32. 4S stock prop 36. 4S grim performance prop 40. But at that rate it draws 75A through a 45A ESC... And doesn't support LVC so I don't recommend it. I didn't have a lot of time to tweak it though - that was at a neutral strut angle, one session of testing.

do some more testing bro
the Aquacraft esc can take much more than what its rated to
I've run 5000mah 30c packs on the stock prop and have gotten 39mph and that was running a tad wet
I've also run the stock SV27 on 5s and it ripps

[Brushless55]

I find it amusing how many of you think that KV means "more power"...

If your Geico isn't fast enough, you aren't prop'ing it correctly.

That being said... We also wanted the Geico to SURVIVE the average "RTR" boater... Guys that want to run them for 5+ minutes and run the cells to cutoff, etc.

It's NOT being marketed as a "Race Boat"... it's a FANTASTIC RTR, that CAN be raced... I assure you, had I wanted it to be marketed as a "Race Boat", it would have been one of the fastest. I think I know how to make that happen by now.

I'll believe all this Traxxas Hype when I see it. It's a tuperware boat, that should be capable of decent speeds, but we'll see just how "race ready" it really is... that involves a hell of a lot more than a quick GPS pass at 50mph...

[Darin Jordan]

Interesting Darin, It was not until I moved the rudder that this boat was starting to show some promise in speed, BUT the Super Vee, motor is approx 1800KV and has been very reliable. I use the same prop on the Vee as the Geico, and I have played with many props, and still the Vee is faster..going to swap out the proboat motor for the old blue super vee motor..I guess we will see..

The BLUE SV motor is only 1565KV... NOT 1800 or 1900, as was originally thought... It has a TON of torque, but is not as efficient (Idle current of over 5A, compared to 2.5A or so for the original BJ26 motor).

The Original BJ26 motors were around 1680KV or so... the new version, however, is only 1500KV, but the new one is MUCH more efficient. (1.6A vs 2.5A for the original).

The new motor will handle a TON of prop.

I do not put ANY weight in swapping props from one setup to another and comparing speeds... Performance only happens with a matched package, and the hulls are completely different.

Your MG will handle a LOT of prop. It's a more efficient hull, that, especially at speed, rides WAY out of the water with a lot more lift. Getting the rudder out of the way made it easier to tune, and likely faster IN THE TURNS, but in the straights, I think the effect was less. LOTS of people are flying with them down the straights with more prop and the rudder in the stock position.

I've never taken the setup to it's full limit, but I know from past experience that this motor package can handle a LOT more pitch than I've seen anyone here throw at it. NOT for 5-minutes, however. I'm talking race type setups.

I'm sure the Traxxas will be a fun boat, but it's still just another boat. I see nothing in this package that indicates it should have any unique kind of performance. It's going to perform like many other race style monos perform. That's not a bad thing, just the way things work.

[Darin Jordan]

do some more testing bro
the Aquacraft esc can take much more than what its rated to
I've run 5000mah 30c packs on the stock prop and have gotten 39mph and that was running a tad wet
I've also run the stock SV27 on 5s and it ripps

When we were first starting the Spec SV27 racing class here in the NW, I used to race mine in P-Mono as a second class. Running a Prather 230 or Prather 235, with an otherwise stock, but blueprinted SV hull and hardware, running 5000mah 20C PolyQuest RC 2S packs, mine would regularly clock 43mph, and I could run a full 6-lap race with that setup. Things WOULD get warm, but it would do it...

For as really crude as that little blue motor is, it really does perform. Pretty amazing. We all owe a LOT to that motor being produced, because it truly did start the "P-Spec" revolution in racing...

[properchopper]

I'm wondering how they get away with this?

"The World's Fastest Ready-To-Race® Boat!"

What class is it raced in and what races has it won or raced in to be considered "
The World's Fastest Ready-To-Race® Boat!" ?

Let's face it ; the "Spartan" will be a nice, accessably priced entry level rtr for the fun running sportboat crowd that's impressed with fancy graphics. Any attempt to classify it as a raceboat is rather absurd and a all-to-common example of marketing horse-exhaust cooked up to enhance sales to naive buyers. I seriously doubt anyone with any intentions to get into sanctioned racing will consider the Spartan. To wit : At 36" the boat, in NAMBA for example, has to run in Q class. This is a 6S 10K mah limit class populated with serious dedicated racing hulls which run 60-70 mph. Any contact the Spartan may have in heat racewater would be a disaster for the Spartan hull to say the least.
The key is to understand that the term RACE can be widely interpreted, as Traxxas's legal/marketing staff must know. Hell, there's a tavern in town that has turtle races every week. Maybe that's where Traxxas got the "Race Ready" idea from

[Darin Jordan]

To wit : At 36" the boat, in NAMBA for example, has to run in Q class.

Is the boat actually 36", or does that include the length of the hardware... If the hull itself is actually only 34" or less, then it could be run in P-Mono/Offshore, but not without a motor swap.

[ray schrauwen]

I'm wondering how they get away with this?

"The World's Fastest Ready-To-Race® Boat!"

What class is it raced in and what races has it won or raced in to be considered "
The World's Fastest Ready-To-Race® Boat!" ?

That little "R" for resgistered trademark is all thats needed to negate any legal problems.