Your MG that started off as a hull

[macdon]

Good job.Options are good.Kinda wish I had changed the scoops on mine when I got it from Scott.It'd be a pain to match up a new lid now.
Scott does seem to have a line on the neon paint to match yours.

Thanks shawn!
You got any nice pics of a cat top that you could share?
Yeah, Scott got the color spot on - but could paint be airmailed?
Nonetheless, I was hoping also to find a paint mixer here locally who can get it closer as it would be a lot easier for me - for future use.

[ecoovert]

Well, heres my take tagasagwan. All I've used are Tacon, Leopard or Nem Gold motors. All seem good to me. Neu motors claim they are 10% more efficiant at best. Considering Leopard and Nem Gold motors claim up to 90% all depends on weather adding another 10% efficiency is worth spending over twice the price on the motor to you. People are winning national compatitions all the time with Leopard and Nem Gold motors. I'd go with one of those. One thing a lot of guys aren't aware of is the Nem Gold motors have a few extra winds in them over the regular Leopard motors thogh both come out of the same factory. This can result in anywhere from 200 to 400 extra watts in a 4082 size motor over the Leopard motors. That would be more important to me than another 10% efficiency. That translates to 3700-3900 watts which makes up for the efficiency at a reasonable price. Since the Nem Gold only will set you back about $119.95 including a matching water jacket that would have to be my choice.

[macdon]

Just a thought macdon. If you look at my avatar you will see my blue Superve 27 with a yellow canopy on top.

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Persolally, I kind of like that look better than a full blue boat. All that to say you might consider using the fiberglass hatch and painting in a less similar color like yellow, red or orange for example. If you could make a fiberglass hatch in say yellow or orange still allowing the sub hatch to be used all the better mut even without it that would work. What I'm trying to say here is some of us might be interested in contrasting hatches for our boats. I might be one of them. It would be great if you could paint windows in a metalic bronze, copper or metalic blue... Ive done this on some of my truck bodies and it looks great. It would be nice to be able to have options for the looks of our boats. What do you think?

Surely - Im always open for variations in color and specially making something unique. Heck, I make one-off stuff so this is right up my alley.
If you look at my avatar, the underhull is taken from a speedmaster .21 hull while the top is a custom made top that inspired me from the Bugatti concept boat.

I also have the deep vee of Stephen (Tagasagwan) in his avatar, but mine is red color. I made 3 tops for that boat as you can see in the attached pics below. The original speedmaster 21 has no top since it was meant for nitro - but both Stephen and I wanted to use the hull for FE so we had to make a top for it.

Maybe we could make a unique top or various tops that could fit our MG - maybe a collective effort from our friends in this thread perhaps?
I was just browsing geicoracing.com and saw how different the actual canopy is from that of Proboat's - is that something that you guys prefer?

[ecoovert]

Boy, I wish I had the ability you do to work With fiberglass. You can for simplicity sake stick to the shape of the origional canopy or if you want to put even more work into it design some altogether different designs that will fit on to different hulls. Matching colors may or may not be an issue depending on the client. If for instance I were to pay you to make a canopy for my Miss Geico, For instance, I might chose canary yellow as the main color or even red in front fading into yellow in the rear. I might also want the windo to be painted in a metalic blue or metalic brass depending on the color of the hatch. This can provide a lot of variation without even having to change the shape of the canopy. Now if you were to offer variations in both color and shapes to fit specific hulls; well I think you can see where I'm going here.

Given what I've seen of the fine work you do it would seem there would be a market for this. Once the molds are made it would just be a matter of being able to produce them at a pace that makes it profitable for you. If however you just want to keep it amongst friends and just keep it as a hobby, some of us guys would very much like to be one of your friends.

I can tell you this macdon. I don't want to sound presumptuous here. With Christmas coming up I may not be able to spend anything on my boats for now but I sure would be interested in finding out if you would consider coming up with price for building a unique canopy for my MG. The origional MG design but with different colors would be fine. If so I should be able to come up with the money this spring after recovering from the holiday spending. If you would agree, I'd pay you in advance.

[tiqueman]

Eco, I have 3 different canopies. Standard, without scoops and with scoops similar to the ekos intakes. And they are in the states.

[srislash]

I don't reallyhave any different lid ideas right now.She's painted and behind me in that way.I'm on to the next three projects.I wonder if a paintcode could be arranged.

Thanks shawn!
You got any nice pics of a cat top that you could share?
Yeah, Scott got the color spot on - but could paint be airmailed?
Nonetheless, I was hoping also to find a paint mixer here locally who can get it closer as it would be a lot easier for me - for future use.

[CHIEFY_44]

Sorry about the long delay to reply but I have been moving house and been really busy, what I used is a 187 size flex to do this all I did was remove the teflon sleeve and it fits great but use lots of grease, also use a good coupler I used a octura, to use this you need to grind the motor mount a little to get clearance but everything works great.
Hope this helps you.

[ecoovert]

Eco, I have 3 different canopies. Standard, without scoops and with scoops similar to the ekos intakes. And they are in the states.

Hi there tiqueman. I like what I see. Any chance I cold see one painted? I still hav't decided if I would like the Geico green or another color but I am interested. Like I said, I probably won't be able to do anything til spring or so.

[tagasagwan]

Sorry about the long delay to reply but I have been moving house and been really busy, what I used is a 187 size flex to do this all I did was remove the teflon sleeve and it fits great but use lots of grease, also use a good coupler I used a octura, to use this you need to grind the motor mount a little to get clearance but everything works great.
Hope this helps you.

Thanks Chiefy!

I think I can do that on my skunkworks2 hull too. I bought it with hardware but the cables are thin 150 I guess? Beefing-up the cables is the way to go to have peace of mind during speed runs.

I saw macdon's cable are thicker but not sure how thick it is.

[macdon]

I saw macdon's cable are thicker but not sure how thick it is.

@Tagasagwan - Im using 4mm cable or .157(?)

[tagasagwan]

Well, heres my take tagasagwan. All I've used are Tacon, Leopard or Nem Gold motors. All seem good to me. Neu motors claim they are 10% more efficiant at best. Considering Leopard and Nem Gold motors claim up to 90% all depends on weather adding another 10% efficiency is worth spending over twice the price on the motor to you. People are winning national compatitions all the time with Leopard and Nem Gold motors. I'd go with one of those. One thing a lot of guys aren't aware of is the Nem Gold motors have a few extra winds in them over the regular Leopard motors thogh both come out of the same factory. This can result in anywhere from 200 to 400 extra watts in a 4082 size motor over the Leopard motors. That would be more important to me than another 10% efficiency. That translates to 3700-3900 watts which makes up for the efficiency at a reasonable price. Since the Nem Gold only will set you back about $119.95 including a matching water jacket that would have to be my choice.

You're right mate! Extra power is more important than additional 10% efficiency. I've been wondering about the nemisis gold why it claims "specially made for *******" so, now I know! But still, it's 120 smockaroons! Unless. We get a good deal on a lightly used cc/neu, nemesis gold is the motor of choice! Thanks for the info!

@Tagasagwan - Im using 4mm cable or .157(?)

.157? Geez! The cables that came with my skunk is thinner than that! I guess I have to get a thicker cables for my skunk and use the thinner cables for the ekos.

[tiqueman]

I don't reallyhave any different lid ideas right now.She's painted and behind me in that way.I'm on to the next three projects.I wonder if a paintcode could be arranged.

The issue w/ the paint, and theres a mile long thread about it... 3 actually threads about it. paint shops cant match it. If they try scanning it it comes back white. they cant get the neon effect. I went to 7 different major automotive paint supply stores and got the same answer, 3 of which took the time to try it and couldnt do it. I then sent the hatch to a gelcoat company who claimed they could match anything. After a $100.00 non refundable deposit, they sent me back a green that was close but no where near dead on. Thats when I took it into my hands and 4 months later I matched it. Nto to mention the additional costs in trial and error in doing so. So, what Im saying is, there is no paint code.

[ecoovert]

Hi there tagasagwan. If you're ok with 2600 watts of power Tacon makes a 4074 motor that I have used with very good results. I was getting about 60 mph. out of that motor with my MG. hobbypartz.com and nitrorcx.com both carry a good selection of tacon motors. I've used both the 4074 2000kv motor and the 2150kv motor. I was able to pick mine up for under $50 but I see people must be catching on as the going price now seems to be $59 which still isn't bad for a 3.46 horsepower motor. I used to have no trouble finding them in stock but again, I guess people are buying them up as I can't find the 4074 size in stock as of today at least. The Leopard water jackets fit these as well. In-fact I wouldn't be a bit surprised to hear they are just re-branded Leopard motors. Again if you want to keep your cost under $75 total You may also consider the Turnigy XK4082-1500KV Brushless Inrunner It's rated only at 2665watts but I'd bet that's constant as a motor of that size usuallty is rated at about 3500 watts peak. Here are the specs for that motor and they have it in stock as of right now at HK for $49.78. # of poles: 4 Max Amps: 120A Max Volt: 22.2V Max Watts: 2665W Rpm/V: 1600kv Resistance: 0.0095 ohms No-load Current: 2.2A(7.4V) Dimension: 39.8mm x 82mm Mounting hole depth: 7mm Length of extend Shaft: 20mm Shaft diameter: 5mm Weight: 435g

[tagasagwan]

Thanks eco for the info. I'll check the turnigy motor. Well, actually Macdon is the one's looking for the bigger motor. But I'll benefit also since I have 2 bare hull catamarans waiting for new motors. I'm planning to set-up my skunkworks cat 2 for saw and my ekos cat for sport running. Both will bevrunning twins. I guess the turnigy would be a good motor for 6s and the 2200kv 4074 tacon,leopard for 4S also the leopard 4082 for 4S. After Christmas probably would be a good time to buy. Since the volume of packages coming in during this season is crazy. Plus next year I'll start my 45" gasser project too. Got the go signal from the boss(wifey) for the gas boat! God! I love that woman! Hahaha! My wife supports my hobby! Hahaha! She even offered to pay for my pending cats cost. Hehehe! Maybe, That's what you get after buying your wife a set of very shinny metals and stones. Hahaha!

[ecoovert]

Glad to be of help tagasagwan. I hope this will be of help to the both of you. Something I'm almost afraid to mention is that I've been running both the 2150kv and the 2200kv motors on 6s, the 4082 using an x645 prop. Never have I had a problem except when I tried it with a 120 amp esc which fried that esc. With a 120 amp motor I guess that's only to be expected. I know most on this site discourage that high of rpms. but I just can't seem to find a prop that will push the boat to the high speeds I'm looking for at a lower rpm. At at a no load 48,840rpm. which if I recall translates to 43,956rpm. under load. An x445 sould be able to attain 77mph. and an X645 88mph. Taking everything into consideration at a slippage rate of 25% which I guess should be less for a cat and 90% motor efficiency for a Leopard motor... those are the numbers I come up with. Now if I were to use say a 1500kv motor all else being the same on 6s... I only would be able to attain 60mph. with an x645prop and 72mph. with a 1800kv. motor on 6s with the same prop. With a 2200kv motor on 6s and an X645 prop I could only hope to attain 59mph.

All that to say I like the high rpm motors as they give me flexability. I can run them on 4s and be able to keep up in any race but If my goal is speed I'd have to run those other motors on 8 or 9s to acomplish the higher speeds, and then we're back to the high rpms. again. If I were planning on racing I'd probably go for an 1800kv or below motor as I guess that may give better acceleration. I would also consider lower rpm. motors if someone made a prop with a total prop pitch well above 72mm that would fit on my MG.

I'm sure you already know all this but I have a question for you. Have you been able to find props anywhere that are no more than 45mm of 47mm with enough pitch to hit these high speeds on 4s? You see in order to hope to reach 80mph. on 4s with my 2200kv motor It would take a 47mm prop with a 2.1 pitch ratio and I just havn't been able to find any anywhere. That being said I guess I will just have to continue being frowned upon by some. I guess I'm just fishing for ideas here. One thing I like about you and macdon is neither of you have given me any issues on this issue. Some of us like top speed, some of us like racing ovals and some of us just like playing in a lake with f.e. boats. I guess it takes all types. That's what makes these forums so interesting.

Sorry I got a little, well a lot sidetracked there so back to what you were talking about. I've always had good luck with Turnigy products and you sure can't beat the price. I never tried their 4082 motor as when I got my 4082s I don't think they had come out with them yet. I feel tempted to try one just to check it out but that would mean another project. Oh nooo! Here I go again.