Doesn't everyone get tired of overpowering set-ups to zoom back and forth?

[sapdforu]

For me it's about pushing the limits, weather it's in a straight line or in circles

[olwarbirds]

Could someone explain what overpowering means? I'm so confused.

There is alot of difference in opinions on this...a 27" mono on 8S running a high kv motor would probable be just a bit overpowered, but I have no doubts its been done by one of us speed freaks (SAW) ...Overpowered: running a hotter power setup than what the hull was designed to handle. Each to his/her own definition as to what each hulls overpowered level would be. MY considered overpowered level is when I can no longer "SAFELY" control my boat. Have fun but be Safe!.... DJ

[T.S.Davis]

I think I know how Howard means it. Howard's a racer.

There are parameters that both racing organizations came up with. They were developed by experienced guys in an effort to at least define some race classes. It's what we're into. So the various power ranges.....2s,4s,6s,8s,10s each have a maximum length allowed. Those lengths revolved around what was drivable at each power level. The actual lengths still get debated constantly but they work. So we use them as a rule of thumb.

Take a Miss Geico or a Motley crew for example. Falls into the P class based on lengths. They come out of the box as a 4s boat. They fit right into P limited cat and P limited offshore. Some of us know the guys that designed the boats. We know what the designs intent was. We know how much effort went into keeping them within the spec so it can race but still be marketable to the masses. It's a design/cost/price point/marketing juggling PIA. They have to protect the boat from the bean counters to keep it race worthy. Still has to have a certain flair or it wont leave the shelves.

Instead of getting raced with us racing roundy round slappies we read about guys dropping in 6s on a 2200kv Leopard and weeeeeeeee. There isn't necessarily something "wrong" with a guy enjoying the hobby his own way. For us racing nut jobs that's just...........frustrating.

[grsboats]

Answering your question I must say NO....I'm not tired to push my boats to their limits (FE/Nitro) , saw or oval ,btw this is what really push me ahead.I guess you never tried a 90,100,110 passes...I'm sure you will be addicted. Gill

[photohoward1]

Zoom, Zoom....Nailed it.

I think I know how Howard means it. Howard's a racer.

There are parameters that both racing organizations came up with. They were developed by experienced guys in an effort to at least define some race classes. It's what we're into. So the various power ranges.....2s,4s,6s,8s,10s each have a maximum length allowed. Those lengths revolved around what was drivable at each power level. The actual lengths still get debated constantly but they work. So we use them as a rule of thumb.

Take a Miss Geico or a Motley crew for example. Falls into the P class based on lengths. They come out of the box as a 4s boat. They fit right into P limited cat and P limited offshore. Some of us know the guys that designed the boats. We know what the designs intent was. We know how much effort went into keeping them within the spec so it can race but still be marketable to the masses. It's a design/cost/price point/marketing juggling PIA. They have to protect the boat from the bean counters to keep it race worthy. Still has to have a certain flair or it wont leave the shelves.

Instead of getting raced with us racing roundy round slappies we read about guys dropping in 6s on a 2200kv Leopard and weeeeeeeee. There isn't necessarily something "wrong" with a guy enjoying the hobby his own way. For us racing nut jobs that's just...........frustrating.

[keithbradley]

At the risk of having the "unpopular opinion", I'm going to put my honest 2 cents in here...

I think it's a somewhat loaded question, and perhaps a bit passive-aggressive. I hope this is taken in the spirit in which it's intended, because I'm not trying to put a negative spin on this, just sharing my thoughts.

Oval racers work hard to tune their boat to go 40, 50, 60 mph...whatever the speed may be. They compare their boats to the others there and use that as a benchmark for measuring their performance. Then someone comes along and posts speeds/runs on the forum that are much faster. This is usually met with "that setup is going to fry". While this may be a fair assessment of an overly aggressive setup, sometimes they last for a fair amount of time. Next we resort to "that boat can't turn", or "that boat can't run in chop". After that there's always "that boat would never do xxx laps" or "that boat can't run for 2-4 minutes. And finally, the last end of the road leads to "that boat is too expensive".

In my eyes they're both cool in their own ways. There's nothing in regards to model boats that will get my adrenaline flowing like making a crazy fast pass, especially when there's a lot of money/hard work out on the water that you know you could lose in a split second. However, there's nothing more fun than racing similar spec boats side by side and letting the driving provide the excitement instead of the risk (yes of course there is still an element of risk). I find the same to be true with cars/trucks. Going fast is cool and exciting, but nothing is more fun than racing.

For me it comes down to time. If I had the time to make the drive out to oval races and compete I would be there. I'm sure I would get my butt stomped up and down the lake but it would be fun nonetheless. I can, however, run down to the local pond and test my ability set a goal, whether it be reaching a certain speed, cornering at a certain speed, taking a lap at a faster pace, etc. I've managed to pencil in a few record trial events as well and had the opportunity to meet a lot of really cool people (while many of us have polarizing differences on the internet, it's amazing how great we get along face-to-face).

I get excited to see other people reach new goals and achievements in this hobby. If they run faster than they ever have, win a race, build a boat, or even just feel good about the fact that they were there to compete...it makes no difference.

I would also say there is an inherent component of driving skill in whatever you do, whether it be straight-line or oval. Different skills perhaps, but it does require skill regardless of how you run.

[ray schrauwen]

I think it's time I try some SAW stuff. I've got to see what other people are doing in order to have a wider perspective. I just don't like blowing stuff up. So, I'll ask for advice first. Keith, you are a pretty cool dude. You have always been great to me with answers to questions, thank you.
Running ovals in competition is my biggest fix but, if SAW's turn my crank, all the more fun I say.

[Rocstar]

I think it's time I try some SAW stuff.

[T.S.Davis]

Great post Keith. We tried some H&M and BK cats in spec offshore. Went like stink but couldn't turn worth a darn. Every time I see one of the go fast cats that blasts down and then blasts back I think......"yeah, but I bet it wont turn". I have to remind myself.....not everyone cares if it turns. The real offshore kitties don't try to pull 3 G around the course either.

Ray, try em all. I think I said that earlier. They're toy freak'n boats. They're fun no matter how you slice em. A mix of art, science, engineering, and pure childish fascination. We absolutely can not lose.

[kfxguy]

At the risk of having the "unpopular opinion", I'm going to put my honest 2 cents in here...

I think it's a somewhat loaded question, and perhaps a bit passive-aggressive. I hope this is taken in the spirit in which it's intended, because I'm not trying to put a negative spin on this, just sharing my thoughts.

Oval racers work hard to tune their boat to go 40, 50, 60 mph...whatever the speed may be. They compare their boats to the others there and use that as a benchmark for measuring their performance. Then someone comes along and posts speeds/runs on the forum that are much faster. This is usually met with "that setup is going to fry". While this may be a fair assessment of an overly aggressive setup, sometimes they last for a fair amount of time. Next we resort to "that boat can't turn", or "that boat can't run in chop". After that there's always "that boat would never do xxx laps" or "that boat can't run for 2-4 minutes. And finally, the last end of the road leads to "that boat is too expensive".

In my eyes they're both cool in their own ways. There's nothing in regards to model boats that will get my adrenaline flowing like making a crazy fast pass, especially when there's a lot of money/hard work out on the water that you know you could lose in a split second. However, there's nothing more fun than racing similar spec boats side by side and letting the driving provide the excitement instead of the risk (yes of course there is still an element of risk). I find the same to be true with cars/trucks. Going fast is cool and exciting, but nothing is more fun than racing.

For me it comes down to time. If I had the time to make the drive out to oval races and compete I would be there. I'm sure I would get my butt stomped up and down the lake but it would be fun nonetheless. I can, however, run down to the local pond and test my ability set a goal, whether it be reaching a certain speed, cornering at a certain speed, taking a lap at a faster pace, etc. I've managed to pencil in a few record trial events as well and had the opportunity to meet a lot of really cool people (while many of us have polarizing differences on the internet, it's amazing how great we get along face-to-face).

I get excited to see other people reach new goals and achievements in this hobby. If they run faster than they ever have, win a race, build a boat, or even just feel good about the fact that they were there to compete...it makes no difference.

I would also say there is an inherent component of driving skill in whatever you do, whether it be straight-line or oval. Different skills perhaps, but it does require skill regardless of how you run.

This is probably the best and most accurate post in this thread.^^^^

[kfxguy]

Great post Keith. We tried some H&M and BK cats in spec offshore. Went like stink but couldn't turn worth a darn. Every time I see one of the go fast cats that blasts down and then blasts back I think......"yeah, but I bet it wont turn". I have to remind myself.....not everyone cares if it turns. The real offshore kitties don't try to pull 3 G around the course either.

Ray, try em all. I think I said that earlier. They're toy freak'n boats. They're fun no matter how you slice em. A mix of art, science, engineering, and pure childish fascination. We absolutely can not lose.

Yep, some people dont care if it turns. I never hear anyone say anything about a 8 or 9 second street car pulling off a fast pass. There different kinds of racing...just like different kinds of people...thats what makes the world go round!

[Livewire121]

I think it's time I try some SAW stuff. I've got to see what other people are doing in order to have a wider perspective. I just don't like blowing stuff up. So, I'll ask for advice first. Keith, you are a pretty cool dude. You have always been great to me with answers to questions, thank you.
Running ovals in competition is my biggest fix but, if SAW's turn my crank, all the more fun I say.

Ray! I'm working on setting up a couple of SAW events for next year here in Ontario, one in the spring and another in the fall.You know me pretty well, so you know I'll make it happen.

[T.S.Davis]

...thats what makes the world go round!

haha Or in some cases straight.

[greenblast]

running a boat is like baking em up! (slang here in ma for spinning the tires)popping a wheelie on a bike. you cant explain it and if you do forget it!

[Luck as a Constant]

Doesn't everyone get tired of overpowering set-ups to zoom back and forth?

Green, I dunno what culdisack of ma you're in but here in metrowest, "baking em up" has a completely different meaning lol


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