IMPBA, NAMBA, FE Rules Etcetera

[ray schrauwen]

Yes I realize that but, there isn't a motor out there that falls within 56mm length that can come close to the watts, it's an ODDBALL motor size because it's a 6 pole motor made by only 2 manufacturers.

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Its already in our clubs rule book.

[ray schrauwen]

Thats not progression and NAMBA spec classes really aren't spec anyways with fans on motors etc, it's a pant load spec class imo. The ony real spec racing is in Europe but, my 1999 GP won't make that trip, lol... For another $40 I can run P-sport Hydro in the same hull same esc, WTH?? Why run a spec class with an $80 when $120 will get you a P-sport motor, not the best but, it will compete. You still have to finish and isn't that what it's all about?

So far so good. No name calling yet.... I'm with Terri on this. We do not need 2 sets of rules. Just adopt the NAMBA rules. They work.

Doug......I almost caught it hold on.....no just missed!

[Ken Haines]

Here ya' go

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Now I just crapped my pants !
Thanks Tony....lol

[ray schrauwen]

I'm always slow to sign up Chris but, as always, I'll be there with my GF Ms Smurf.

In anticipation of a potential shortage of motors (real or only perceieved) IMPBA has in effect adopted NO rules. "Well......we don't want to deal with the shortage when it comes so we'll have nothing" That should help participation. By not having rules IMPBA is missing out on the spec era.

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When there is a problem with supply of AQ or PB motors NAMBA will have to adapt as well as the IMPBA clubs. When it becomes a problem then we will have to deal with it plain and simple.
I find it interesting that you think that IMPBA is missing out on the "Limited" classes comimg from a NAMBA guy. We had 30 "Limited" boats entered in the first D13 race of the year and we only offer three "Limited" classes, not to mention the 18 boats we had between N-Mono and P-Mono. All this when we are doing it all wrong. I can't imagine what it might be like if we were doing it the right way.....

Most of the country, IMPBA and NAMBA are running the same thing anyway and it's not like we have droves of people traveling cross country to race anymore. Those that do always have plenty of lead time if there
is something different than they are already running if they choose to go.

Any furthur discussion on the subject I will only comment on the IMPBA forum, so join the org. get signed up. I'll see ya over there.


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[ray schrauwen]

O.k. what about this... If it's a IMPBA sanctioned race event and I burn out the only AQ or PB motor I have but, I have a $27 HK motor sitting there staring at me in my box no hobby shop for miles, why if it is an inferior motor to AQ or PB, can I not run it? It is close, only 4mm longer... I don't get it. It's not a Neu or a Tenshock or an ARC motor that all are somewhat superior motors. What is to be lost?

This is protectionism. The sellers of PB & AQ motors are just controlling a class.

[Doby]

Conspiracy theory........ it was just a matter of time.

[ray schrauwen]

...and this is why I ask you to call so I don't tear you a new one in an email.... always the wise cracks and no input by MR.RTR.

[Doby]

...and this is why I ask you to call so I don't tear you a new one in an email.... always the wise cracks and no input by MR.RTR.

Woahhhh.....Mister cheap and and explosive....currently only 3 RTR's in the fleet out of 12 FE's so think before you talk Ray

Myself and only a few others (not you) have done more to try and promote FE in the area and came up with club rules for those classes that are probably some of the easiest to adhere too and will also allow most to compete elsewhere.

All you do is try and cheapen everything to the point that nothing is overly reliable. I've seen many of your explosive end results.

If it wasn't for myself and Chris...there would be nothing in this area and even he has gotten frustrated with all the associated bitching from those that do nothing but want everything.

Think Ray......then comment.

Step up anytime Ray to help.

[ray schrauwen]

So, you can insult me with the 'conspiracy theory' comment but, I can't fire back?

I think you are mis-understanding what I am talking about. I am talking about IMPBA RULE CHANGES NOT GRMM RULES. What is YOUR problem?

Over and over with the insults, keep it up, I can take it.

Woahhhh.....Mister cheap and and explosive....currently only 3 RTR's in the fleet out of 12 FE's so think before you talk Ray

Myself and only a few others (not you) have done more to try and promote FE in the area and came up with club rules for those classes that are probably some of the easiest to adhere too and will also allow most to compete elsewhere.

All you do is try and cheapen everything to the point that nothing is overly reliable. I've seen many of your explosive end results.

If it wasn't for myself and Chris...there would be nothing in this area and even he has gotten frustrated with all the associated bitching from those that do nothing but want everything.

Think Ray......then comment.

Step up anytime Ray to help.

[ray schrauwen]

If it wasn't for myself and Chris...there would be nothing in this area and even he has gotten frustrated with all the associated bitching from those that do nothing but want everything.

When was the last time you spoke to Chris?

[Doby]

One set of rules is based on the other.

Can't get people out anyway...whats the use of providing more options...

I think its time to step back and become a participant....lets see how others do with organization......


Have fun.

[Doug Smock]

Any further discussion on the subject I will only comment on the IMPBA forum, so join the org. get signed up. I'll see ya over there.
Chris

Terry the Mrs. and I are going to try to get up there. Like to visit my old stomping grounds in Lapeer while we're there.
It really depends on what's going on with the business, and if she finishes her firearms training so she can watch my back.

Oh Wait!!!!! NAMBA has a 10,000 mAh limit from Q down right?? I'd have to buy new batteries just for your race??? What were you guys thinking???
Can I just put some 5000 stickers on my 54, 55 and 6500s??
I guess it's not a problem if you don't tech everyone's cells on race day.
I wish we had a perfect rule set, maybe you CAN help.
:SERIOUSLY, ALL IN GOOD FUN GUYS!!!
See ya over yonder! http://impba.net/

[T.S.Davis]

Ray, the point is parity. You're hung up on the price point. I can buy an $80 P motor too. Because I know what to get. Will a new guy know which one to get? Will a new guy know that the $27 motor is just as good as the AQ/PB motor and instead spend his dough on the perfect prop? The classes are still supposed to be for newer racers IMO. If you are dominating spec classes over and over you're in the wrong class. I've never seen a fan cooled motor either. I know I've never been beaten by one.

Protectionism Ray? Really? I helped write the damned rule. Nope, it ain't perfect but are you really going to accuse me of protectionism on an open forum? If that was the case why didn't we also specify only Proboat or Aquacraft speed controls? Why didn't we specify only AQ batteries? Why not specify only grim propellers? That's the kind of BS accusation that made me resign as FE chair years ago.

The rule was written not only to provide a fixed point for builders but to allow a guy to go to the store, buy a boat, and race it that weekend. Those guys are the future of racing. They are the only form of expansion FE racing has. You can call it favoritism if you need to but the target is the racer and not the supplier. It's the easy breezy, very little thought, no superior knowledge base required option. I could care less about AQ or PB.

I'm glad for IMPBA. The fact that their most popular classes are those that don't exist is...............um good? Of course when the motor supply dries up we'll all have to deal with it. Just as we did when Nimh replaced Nicd, when brushless replaced brushed, and when LiPo replaced Nimh . My wife keeps the receipts on me. It's a matter of time for all of the technology we race. Remember when we all had Hacker 70's?

Chris, don't discuss it on any forums. Do it through emails with a small handful of guys you trust. Phone calls might be better. No paper trails. Come up with a reasonable rule set your trusted group can live with and commit it to paper no matter how unpopular it is. If you try to please everyone you will only end up frustrated, baked, and without rules for more time.

Those that don't like what you come up with can put up or shut up. Myself included.

[properchopper]

Now I just crapped my pants !
Thanks Tony....lol

Ken, you're welcome, (and with sincere apologies for inserting my usual irrelevant levity to such a serious discussion), if you look closely at the picture you'll see Howard and Alan under the driver's stand. However, due to an unfortunate circuit failure in the tele-transportation module they used to save on airfare, they tragicly only arrived in two, rather than three dimensions...

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[LiPo Power]

Very cool thread....