Anyone else think swordfish

[Engelkefarm]

Improper use would be not timing my runs? Not too sure what your saying there.

[rickwess]

Your data log say it all. The lipos dropped to ~2.7V per cell, under load no less.

We all make mistakes. Just learn from them and move on. Blaming the ESC and the person who sold it to you serves no purpose when it's clear you didn't set it up properly.

[keithbradley]

Heres a question why dont the build them with a built in timer instead?

"They" do. Quit buying the cheapest possible components and then whining when you find out they're not idiot proof.

[Engelkefarm]

Theres only so much money i can justify putting into a toy. What esc are you refering to? The real problem is its hard to determine what is good whats not until after you buy it. You guys say whining but i try and just make myself clear to not only help myself but anyone else who might be having the same question/problems. No one knows it all and one will learn something new everyday. Telling me my stuff is crap all the time is kind of agreeing about the topic of the thread

[Engelkefarm]

Still my biggest issue with the swordfish is trying to install disc. Im using 4.11 verson that i was able to download thanks to alexgar. The disc that came with it is 4.12 but just get a bunch of errors. I try and dl from website and even more errors.

[rickwess]

Still my biggest issue with the swordfish is trying to install disc. Im using 4.11 verson that i was able to download thanks to alexgar. The disc that came with it is 4.12 but just get a bunch of errors. I try and dl from website and even more errors.

Get the program card if you are having trouble with the SW. The worst thing you could have done is run the ESC if you were not 100% sure it was set-up properly.

There is a thread here that posts everyone's blunders. The key is that we admit WE made the mistake.

[T.S.Davis]

They don't build in a timer because they can't know what we idiots are going to plug into them.

If I plug in a 6s/2000mah pack and draw 180 amps I have about 32 seconds of run time before my cells could be degrading or even ruined.
Take the same setup and plug 6s/10000mah and my run time is about 160 seconds before my cells will start to get pissed at me.

The speedo simply can't know what I've plugged into it. So run time would vary.

The LVC works TOO well on a Swordfish. If set to the correct number of cells it will actually shut you down earlier than you/we need it to. Racers turn it off because they know what the setup can and will do long before they shut the LVC off.

This is one of my frustrations with our hobby. Anybody can read anything on the internet and think they're ready to jump into a high performance setup. They may not even be able to do the math and understand it. With no one to look at their setups they can't figure out a trouble spot and blame the equipment. I'm not trying to yell at the original poster here necessarily. I KNOW this is how it works because I have been that guy. I've crispy critter'd a lot of equipment over the years.

Our club had 4 guys in the top 10 at the nationals and we still trouble shoot each others rides. Sometimes you can't see what you did wonky. So you ask for some expert advice. I do it all the time. If you don't have anyone to ask, bring it here and I guarantee someone will see what's causing you fits. But you have to take the advice and see if it applies. If you stop learning in this hobby your toast.

The problem with the setup inspiring this thread boils down to two things:
1. Not understanding what the LVC is for. It's a safety net. It's not intended to indicate the end of a run. Run till it quits is an old NiMh way of thinking. Even those cells would protest.
2. Compounded by the fact that the LVC was set to the wrong cell count.

Those two things combined to destroy the cells. It really is that simple.

[kevinpratt823]

Any experts ever look into how many Differnt factorys produce lipos?

I know the cells all come from only a few places. The difference is that budget packs are just cells assembled at random, quality packs the cells are tested and assembled with all cells that have very closely matching internal resistance, and the cells that don't meet thier tolerances are not used for thier higher rated packs. You will see it for yourself if you watch for the readings on a charger that is capable, especially after a few cycles.

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[kevinpratt823]

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Like Ray said, I was thinking something similar. Has it occurred to you that the 180 was limiting the power that the motor could draw, and the more robust controller is allowing more power to the motor, hence a heavier load on the packs?
My private off road rc track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjkb...qMm6yJUtyaNZNA

??? So a boat with a swordfish will be faster then a boat with a 180? Theres a governor on a 180?

Perhaps you may notice that I said "I was thinking the same thing". I was brainstorming openly to try to get a resolution for your dilemma. But fwiw
This is the way it works with rc cars. A 1/8 esc allows a 1/10 car to run faster as the smaller 1/10 esc does limit the punch that is delivered.
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[Engelkefarm]

Is there any advatage of latest updade?

[kevinpratt823]

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Are those motor bullet connections bare?

[tlandauer]

This has been one of the most difficult/confusing threads to follow, partly because I am out of the country and wi fi is bad, and partly because when a thread gets somewhat personal it has a tendency to spiral down quickly . So my comments are just my thoughts only.
I had to use a 220Pro+ 6s in my JAE 21 rigger. Initially I had a lot of worries since I had read that there are issues with Swordfish ESCs. I had a great deal of trouble getting the USB to work, but it was my ignorance. Many good people tried to help, including the OP. Steven was so supportive that I had to practically beg him to give up on me and he refused. Anyway, with the set up I had, I achieved 69.5 mph, slower than many experienced people, but a record for me. That is what I cared----with the advice and help that I was given, I made progress and at the end of the day, I had a big smile on my face.
I don`t think it is possible to know a product until enough people have invested in it and a meaningful data can then be established. In the course of this journey there would be many heart burns and headaches. I was prepared to write off the ESC in case it did not work for me, but as I followed all sensible advices and the ESC has proven itself, I will buy another one any time.

[Gary]

What's and "mf"????

If its what I think it is, then that's not very nice...

And again ....whats the MF????

[revoltrunner]

And again ....whats the MF????

his bio says farmer.
it must be Massey Ferguson.

[flraptor07]

And again ....whats the MF????

I'm pretty sure we all know what MF is and that should be the end of Mr. Engelkefarm on this form. but that's just my opinion and after seeing that he'll never get any help from me, besides I don't think he can be helped..