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  • Gimp
    I am the Stig
    • Jan 2011
    • 547

    #1

    Taking too long to charge

    I'm charging my batteries at 1C and it's taking almost 2 hours. Is it time for a new charger? Batteries are taking almost 4000mah. I notice it drops below 1C charge rate after only 15 minutes or so...

    Charger: Onyx 230 with Equinox in-line balancer. Setup is 2-3 years old now.
    Batteries: 2s 5000mah Gens Ace (40-80C) and Nano-Tech (45-90C). All basically new.
    -Fighter Cat Racing-
  • srislash
    Not there yet
    • Mar 2011
    • 7699

    #2
    That does seem like a long time.Are you on a strait charge or trying to balance all the way thru.Mine are never more than an 3/4 hour.

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    • Fluid
      Fast and Furious
      • Apr 2007
      • 8103

      #3
      That's an average of about 2 amps charge rate. It does seem to be taking far too long for the last phase of the charge cycle. Usually the first phase is at a 'high' amp rate (5 amps) takes around 30-40 minutes to put in 95% of the charge, then the last ~5% is a trickle charge at a lower rate.


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      • sailr
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Nov 2007
        • 7128

        #4
        That is normal. Your charger is rated at so many watts. Volts X Amps = Watts. So if your charger is only capable of say 100 watts and you're charging a 4S (14.4V) pack, then the max amps will be 7 amps. However, a lot of chargers are limited to 5 amps. As the charge comes up in the pack, the amp rate will go down in order to maintain the volt input.

        If you're running the packs down to where they will take 4000mAh, they only have 20% of their capacity left in them. Balance charging does take considerably longer. Two hours isn't unreasonable.

        Finally, why are you charging at only 1C? The packs you have can easily be charged at at least 2C without any harm whatsoever. Some of the newer and better packs, like hyperions, can be charged up to 5C!
        Mini Cat Racing USA
        www.minicatracingusa.com

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        • Gimp
          I am the Stig
          • Jan 2011
          • 547

          #5
          I think the Gens can go up to 5C and the Nano's can go to 10C I believe. I can only charge them at 7amps max, it's all the charger will do. I usually always did 1C anyway because it will fill the packs better than doing them quickly. I'm not charging while at the water so I don't need to charge that quickly, but when it takes upwards of 2 days to charge 8 batteries (cause I can't leave them alone) that's just too long. I'd like to charge them all in an afternoon-evening without spending $200 or needing a power supply.

          I was thinking about getting 2 of these - http://www.hobbypartz.com/73p-ac680-accharger.html
          They should be able to charge my 2s packs at a true 1C. Hopefully filling them in under 75 minutes, and having 2 will speed it up that much more.
          -Fighter Cat Racing-

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          • pyroM!KE
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 379

            #6
            Can you see the voltage of each cell? all cells should be within .2 volts..If you have one cell that is like .5 volts or lower than all the other cells the charger is lowering the charging amps to balance the lagging cell or cells with the other good cells..In other words watch the cell voltages..all cell voltages should climb at the same time without any cell volts lagging behind..
            Try charging a brand new pack and see what it does..If you charge any pack at 1c and all the cells are good and balanced, it shouldnt take any longer than an hour..Sounds to me like your charging old tired packs..
            Originally posted by Gimp View Post
            I'm charging my batteries at 1C and it's taking almost 2 hours. Is it time for a new charger? Batteries are taking almost 4000mah. I notice it drops below 1C charge rate after only 15 minutes or so...

            Charger: Onyx 230 with Equinox in-line balancer. Setup is 2-3 years old now.
            Batteries: 2s 5000mah Gens Ace (40-80C) and Nano-Tech (45-90C). All basically new.

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            • Gimp
              I am the Stig
              • Jan 2011
              • 547

              #7
              Originally posted by Gimp View Post
              Charger: Onyx 230 with Equinox in-line balancer. Setup is 2-3 years old now.
              Batteries: 2s 5000mah Gens Ace (40-80C) and Nano-Tech (45-90C). All basically new.
              The batteries have 3 runs on them, and they're all acting the same. That's what lead me to the charger.
              -Fighter Cat Racing-

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              • pyroM!KE
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 379

                #8
                Originally posted by Gimp View Post
                The batteries have 3 runs on them, and they're all acting the same. That's what lead me to the charger.
                Hmm..Could be the charger..Another thing is watch which charger you buy too..Cheap chargers will give false readings which will in turn kill your packs..I bought some of HK's top end chargers and they were decent..The best one I got from there lasted about 1 year before letting the smoke out..I have since decided to get a High end charger that charges dual packs..This is the one I got and it is an awesome charger..I can charge 2x 5000 packs @ 2c..It puts out 20 amps.. http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/show....php?p=2447888

                Do yourself a favor and get a quality charger..Youll save money in the longrun..I dont want to scare you but Hopefully the charger you have been using hasn't damaged your new packs..

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                • icelert
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 103

                  #9
                  Check the manual for your charger. Some chargers have thermocouple circuitry in them(for safety reasons) that will drop the charge rate back when the ambient air temp goes below a certain threshold. My Cellpro chargers do that when it gets below 50deg F.

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                  • Gimp
                    I am the Stig
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 547

                    #10
                    Originally posted by icelert View Post
                    Check the manual for your charger. Some chargers have thermocouple circuitry in them(for safety reasons) that will drop the charge rate back when the ambient air temp goes below a certain threshold. My Cellpro chargers do that when it gets below 50deg F.
                    No options for that.

                    Took my charger apart to look at the power supply, here it is. I calculated 60w of output, I'm assuming I can just use this to power a DC charger safely?

                    -Fighter Cat Racing-

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                    • Gimp
                      I am the Stig
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 547

                      #11
                      Will my power supply be enough to handle a Hitec X2 charger (http://www.hitecrcd.com/products/cha...ment/x2.html)? Can't find any specs about what it takes to power it.

                      I would like to charge 2 at a time, 5000mah 2s at 1C.

                      Thanks for the help!
                      -Fighter Cat Racing-

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                      • Gimp
                        I am the Stig
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 547

                        #12
                        Heck, for what I would have invested in that I could have a 4 port charger.


                        Last edited by Gimp; 11-29-2011, 05:37 PM.
                        -Fighter Cat Racing-

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                        • leejason86
                          Junior Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 1

                          #13
                          Good day! I think you need to buy another one because there's a problem with your batteries or you can return it to the store and ask regarding about it. I also experience charging my phone and it takes so long to charge so I bring my phone together with the battery to the cellphone repair shop.

                          Regards,

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                          • srislash
                            Not there yet
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 7699

                            #14
                            That charger looks like the one I have only mine says GT Power.It's been good thus far.I love my 4 port charger but then I've got a few batteries and boats and cars.

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                            • srislash
                              Not there yet
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 7699

                              #15
                              That charger looks like the one I have only mine says GT Power.It's been good thus far.I love my 4 port charger but then I've got a few batteries and boats and cars.

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