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Sorry missed that
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Sorry missed thatHK Genesis, DF Vortex, Baja 5T, Lazer ZX-5 sp, XXX, 8T, P51-D Mustang Shangrila, GP Giant P51-D Mustang, Blade 400 3D, with way too many more to list.
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~200-ish, if you set it up well, and it was a quality motor. Cheaper motors will pull more amps and then fail as the get further out of their acceptable range. You also have to have a motor that has the power to turn a x447 at that RPM, or it defeats the purpose. I dont see that kb motor doing it.Originally posted by Blackjack-sven View PostComment
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I know it may not be a great motor but its gotta be a better one. The 1500kv I have is a stock proboat one. Anything good about it?
And is there any decent setup I can do with a 6xl in a hull the size of the genesis?
BTW: I am taking in what everyone has to say so bear with me.HK Genesis, DF Vortex, Baja 5T, Lazer ZX-5 sp, XXX, 8T, P51-D Mustang Shangrila, GP Giant P51-D Mustang, Blade 400 3D, with way too many more to list.Comment
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The proboat motors are commonly used and pretty good motors. I would take on eover the kb motors. Neither motor will power your hull the way you want it to though. Thats just the way it is. If there were a setup any of us knew of to reach your goals with what you want to use, we would have already suggested it.Comment
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Keith please put your proboat in a 19 pound scale and see what it does
if youd take that puny thing over a kb then youre truly biased real world wat u like huh? put a proboat in an 1/8th scale and see what it does.
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What are you talking about? Why would I put a proboat motor in a 19 pound anything? I wouldnt run a 19 pound boat unless I could ride in it!Originally posted by TotalPackage View PostKeith please put your proboat in a 19 pound scale and see what it does if youd take that puny thing over a kb then youre truly biased real world wat u like huh? put a proboat in an 1/8th scale and see what it does.
I dont put little tiny motors in big boats, and I didnt reccomend that this guy do it. You clearly dont pay too much attention to my builds.
Here's my 50" mono, which didnt weight 19 lbs by the way, but would be the heaviest boat Ive built:
I would be delighted to see yours.
I gave this guy a setup that will do 60mph on a single 80A ESC, which I believe is pretty impressive. I know this setup will work because Ive ran it and datalogged it, not because I did a search on youtube. I am aware of how to make a boat run well and I am giving the best advice I can based on that. Someone asks me "which motor should I run? One that wont work for my goals, or a different one that wont work for my goals?" ...and you analyze whether or not they would work well in even bigger boats? What are you getting at my man?
I would take that proboat motor over a feigao too, and Im sure you can find LOTS of youtube vids with people running feigaos...you can even find some of mine if you look hard enough.Comment
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Ive already seen that youre the one talking youd take a proboat motor over a kb u get your proboat motor and ill stomp all over you with the kb and u know it so dont sit up here and feed us bs have you ever owned a kb personally yourself?Comment
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Bottom line sven If you want 80 in a genesis go with what howard recomended end of story . He has your boat and it does over 80 point blank but I wont sit here and let people feed you bs based on their biases for whatever reason. A proboat motor is about 2 hp the kb is about 4 you do the math.Anyone thats talking about a 40 inch boat and taking a proboat motor is cu cu . That motor not worth a mention in this discussion Both you fiegaos are better than that proboat the thing doenst have enough sheer mass to do anything with a boat that size and weight and a 30mm prop is even more pompass when u consider that what we run on boats under 25 inches. Sven if nothing else just go with the specs for starters.
"talking with no real world experience is useless as a member once said and fowarding spam spewed into his ear by other members is simply more spam"Comment
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A KB will push that boat all day
now if it wont put your money where your mouth is.Comment
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This is the dumbest arguement Ive ever taken part in. Yes I've owned a kb motor, but it was years ago, before they became nearly obsolete. My value for those motors has nothing to do with how well they would push boats that are too large for them. One of those motors is still sold at OSE, the other isn't why do you think that is? You think kb is the FE secret that only HK has caught onto? I wonder why everyone else isnt running them?Originally posted by TotalPackage View Post
For a guy who said "Im done" in this thread, you have put a lot of effort into clogging it up with nonsense. If you have something to bring to the table that can help the OP get closer to his goals, great. Its seems that you are more inclined to have a discusion about yourself, or argue about things no one else cares about. We understand...you like kb motors, and you are carrying an FE torch for Howard...got it.
Wanna argue about which is better, nihm or nicd? Or maybe we can have a discussion about coal fired steam engines versus wood fired...Comment
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like i said Id stomp all over you proboat motor with a kb . Duh I know its not a neu but its better than a proboat especially in this case and sorry sheer mass does play a part . As far as sales ose charges more for a 580 which is had its many share of issues too neither is an FE secret.Originally posted by keithbradley View PostComment
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Give up on it Keith you tried!
You know the old saying about wrestling a pig right?If my boats upside down then who owns the one I thought I was driving the last two laps?
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lol I said Im done too, but, Nicd is the best, its all I run, oh and use Tamiya connectors, fire is great and my daddy can beat up your daddy... lol, my god this thread is un-real.Originally posted by keithbradley View Post
Seriously though Sven, Keith has a great, personally tested set up here. Certainly worth looking into.
TP, I think what Keith was saying, I could be wrong, but motor to motor, perhaps quality wise, he prefers a PB. And know what, so do I. Theres 100 different motors out there that will"stomp all over" the PB 1500, and the KB is probably one of them and you know what, who the F cares, cuz theres 100more that will stomp a KB. And he wasnt suggesting puting it in a 19lb boat. Mass does play a part, and guess what, through personal trials, an XL size can is still too small for a Genesis hull. I said that earlier in the thread. BUt, If you built a genesis and it came out 19 lbs, well then I personally would love to take you up on your "stomping" contest....Originally posted by TotalPackage View Post
We are not on here to challenge eachother and certainly not on here to argue about which motor is better when neither one will work in this application, or work well for that matter. You ended up making your self, well, not look good there and 4 years old with your "stomping" comment. From a lot of your other threads Ive read, you seem intelegent. Cant we all just get along and try and help Sven w/ his unrealistic goals and at least get him as good as we can w/ out blowing his stuff up 
Keith is on to a set up that is possible, and has the personal experience of running that set up to know what its going to do. It doesnt get any better than that, even w/ a KB. 
This is the same type nonsense that withdrew mw from RCU.Last edited by tiqueman; 04-12-2011, 09:33 AM.Comment
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Just out of curiosity, what is a hot setup for a Genesis? I was thinking a 1717 on 6s with maybe a T180? but maybe have to go bigger cause isn't that the edge of the T180's limits? Or even a Leopard 4084. But then again I'm sure there are even better setups. Goal= a fast, reliable boat, not heat racing.RC boat people are weird.
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When i read this thread i ask myself how many people at OSE have got a genesis to 80mph? Only 1 that i know of and thats me. Guys talk about my setup like something going to come apart. I have tested my genesis 2 to 3 times a day and 4 to 5 times a week for 4 months and never had a problem. I would say thats very reliable. I wounder if mudl could say that? I think some guys need to spend more time testing then talking. lol If there is anyone that don't know a 32 from a 37/genesis i will help you. The 32" is a much fast hull then a 37, a 32" has a lot less resistance from the smaller tunnels and a wider floor for more lift. Just want to get the facts right. Now you guys can go back pulling hair and name calling.
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