House health bill makes private medical insurance illegal

[Flying Scotsman]

Regardless Steven. I trust your dad is in better health and I mean it. Health care is a very sore point in the USA and honestly I do not understand why you guys get all upset about a universal health care system. The only losers will be the insurrance companies, and you will have the option of private or government care. Yes, your taxes will increase.

Douggie

[Steven Vaccaro]

Regardless Steven. I trust your dad is in better health and I mean it. Health care is a very sore point in the USA and honestly I do not understand why you guys get all upset about a universal health care system. The only losers will be the insurrance companies, and you will have the option of private or government care. Yes, your taxes will increase.

Douggie

Unfortunately he isn't. He's going under the knife on August 11th. The doctor is going to make a door to his heart, literally! So the question still stands, under O's plan does he get the operation that will most likely be at least a 6 figure cost?

I've read online that the Canadian system started out a similar way. Offer a gov plan with a option for private. Is this true?

[Flying Scotsman]

Unfortunately he isn't. He's going under the knife on August 11th. The doctor is going to make a door to his heart, literally! So the question still stands, under O's plan does he get the operation that will most likely be at least a 6 figure cost?

I've read online that the Canadian system started out a similar way. Offer a gov plan with a option for private. Is this true?

No, that is not true. The UK offers that system but in Canada we can pay for non life threating...knee and other surgery, MRI tests with our own cash, or wait out the system. No insurrance coverage on these private procedures. There is no private system as such. I hope your dad has a big angel looking over him

Douggie

[Bill-SOCAL]

Ok, so my father is 67 and needs open heart surgery. He's over weight, had two strokes, diabetes's and has heart problems. Does he get the operation under O's plan?

Yes

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And here's why. Since he is getting it now clearly his current plan is paying for it. Since he can keep his current plan if he so chooses then he most certainly would get the operation. The Obama plan does not take his current plan away from him or force him into another plan. It expands the options for those less fortunate than your father.

Surgery is always stressful, my best wishes are with you and your Dad.

[domwilson]

I wish your father and your family the very best thru these trying times.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Yes

Added:

And here's why. Since he is getting it now clearly his current plan is paying for it. Since he can keep his current plan if he so chooses then he most certainly would get the operation. The Obama plan does not take his current plan away from him or force him into another plan. It expands the options for those less fortunate than your father.

Surgery is always stressful, my best wishes are with you and your Dad.

Clever answer(or should I say spin ), but as you know that wasn't the question. "Does he get the operation under O's plan?"

[Steven Vaccaro]

I wish your father and your family the very best thru these trying times.

thanks.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Yes

Surgery is always stressful, my best wishes are with you and your Dad.

thanks

[Bill-SOCAL]

Clever answer(or should I say spin ), but as you know that wasn't the question. "Does he get the operation under O's plan?"

No spin, I stated very clearly, YES. What more is there to it?? He gets it now he would get it a year from now. No spin, why is that so hard for people to see?

You've all whipped yourselves up into this frenzy that the Gubbermint is gonna make you die or kill Grandpa when in fact that is precisely what the insurance companies are doing now.

But that's OK, as long as it ain't the Gubbermint.

[Rumdog]

If Obama's plan gives you the option to keep your present private health care then yes, he would be covered. That simple.

[Steven Vaccaro]

No spin, I stated very clearly, YES. What more is there to it?? He gets it now he would get it a year from now. No spin, why is that so hard for people to see?

Bill of course its spin, because you are "assuming" that he has private heath care at the present time. What if he doesn't?

Another example, a past employee of mine retired and found out at about 70 years old he had esophagus cancer, the hole operation and rehab cost about $230K, he didn't have private health care. Would he have got the operation?

You've all whipped yourselves up into this frenzy that the Gubbermint is gonna make you die or kill Grandpa when in fact that is precisely what the insurance companies are doing now.

But that's OK, as long as it ain't the Gubbermint.

In both cases the present insurance systems in place will or have flipped the bill for the cost. I re ask the question, on O's plan will they get the care they need to extend their lives?

[Bill-SOCAL]

Steven - I've answered your question three times now. AS far as assuming your father has insurance, if he does not how is he affording the surgery? It seemed like a reasonable assumption. Unless he is covered under the Mass. plan, which changes nothing, because the Obama plan does not take any coverage away of force people to die.

So, one more time - yes, your Dad, and others like him, will be covered, that's the point.

Why this fear of having the government involved instead of your friendly neighborhood mega insurance company escapes me.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Steven - I've answered your question three times now. AS far as assuming your father has insurance, if he does not how is he affording the surgery? .

He has Medicare, which will be changing according to O's plan. By the way he had knee surgery this year, which also wouldnt have been covered by O's plan.

Why this fear of having the government involved instead of your friendly neighborhood mega insurance company escapes me.

Its a legitimate fear and reality. O needs to save money, the only way to do that is to kill off the elderly that are costing it a ton of money now. Does it worry you that none of the people that are writing this new health care bill are not going to have to participate?

[Bill-SOCAL]

Steven - I think your opinion of the reform is irrational and based on fear rather than fact, but I also recognize that there is no way we are going to meet in the middle.

Having watched a good friend die and his family end up broke and essentially homeless thanks to the private insurance company driven system that we now suffer under I welcome any change that breaks their monopoly.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Steven - I think your opinion of the reform is irrational and based on fear rather than fact, but I also recognize that there is no way we are going to meet in the middle.

Having watched a good friend die and his family end up broke and essentially homeless thanks to the private insurance company driven system that we now suffer under I welcome any change that breaks their monopoly.

See you're wrong again(), we can agree on something. I to can recognize that we change. We just dont agree on how far we want it taken.

My health insurance cost over 20k a year. I'm not rich, so its breaking my back, but with 3 kids I have to have it. At that cost its not even a great plan, just covers the important stuff with high deductibles.