The Energy Non-Crisis

[ghostofpf1]

Good luck, another false hope perpetrated on the ignorant by the stupid. Imagine this - everyone in California buys an electric car and plugs it in every night to recharge - whoohoo, no more oil needed! Oh, wait, California has rolling brownouts now because they don't have enough electricity to go around. What happens when everyone tires to plug in? Ooops - another dead end. Too, most electricity in the US is generated by - all together now - BURNING FOSSIL FUELS. Using electric cars is not a viable solution today, regardless of how good the cars are.


Bill - I thought it was the other way around......



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Did you just call me ignorant and stupid ?? I might as well call you shortsighted and rude

Steve

[Flying Scotsman]

The point is that Fluid is correct and speaks his own mind.

Douggie

[ghostofpf1]

The point is that Fluid is correct and speaks his own mind.

Douggie

Correct in his own shortsighted way I suppose...as far as speaking his own mind I bet if he put his mind to it he wouldn't come off as such a giant ass.....

Steve

speaking his own mind

[NorthernBoater]

Good luck, another false hope perpetrated on the ignorant by the stupid. Imagine this - everyone in California buys an electric car and plugs it in every night to recharge - whoohoo, no more oil needed! Oh, wait, California has rolling brownouts now because they don't have enough electricity to go around. What happens when everyone tires to plug in? Ooops - another dead end. Too, most electricity in the US is generated by - all together now - BURNING FOSSIL FUELS. Using electric cars is not a viable solution today, regardless of how good the cars are.


Bill - I thought it was the other way around......



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We just need to build breeder reactors to charge the cars. They have a lot less waste than the type of reactors we use in the US. We have not done it because as soon as the idea that terrorists may be able to make a bomb all discussion stops.

[AndyKunz]

We have coal to last thousands of lifetimes. And we have the technology to actually burn it without killing ourselves. But we lack the will as a people to force companies to install the equipment to allow for the use of clean safely. And that is really sad.

What's really sad is that, if the current administration's plans to "cap and tax" are enacted, coal will become more expensive than petroleum. That will guarantee a quick death to the coal industry outside of servicing existing coal-fired plants that will not be kept in service due to expense. This will then help ensure that the Chinese will be able to increase their investment in their own domestic coal (they are also well-blessed with it), and their mining, mining equipment, and power industries will flourish as a result. And the will move ahead of us in yet another area (mining technology).

THAT's what's really sad.

Andy

[AndyKunz]

Remember Jim and Tammy Fae Bakker? ... Being a 'minister' hardly automatically qualifies anyone to be either an expert on a subject - or even to be an honest person.

No fan of televangelists like those mentioned, but in Jim Bakker's defense he did come clean. He wrote a book ("I Was Wrong", ISBN 0785274251) that is worth reading.

Andy

[Bill-SOCAL]

Good luck, another false hope perpetrated on the ignorant by the stupid.

Keep in mind that ignorance can be cured, but stupid is forever!!

[785boats]

Scalar Technology, Electromagnetic Generators, Zero Point Generators.
All developed from Nickola Tesla. He was going to give the world free power until the likes of Edison, Eldridge, & the Government shut him down.
Thankfully some people are still keeping the dream alive.
Here's one that works but I bet you won't see it developed for the world at large.
The industrialists won't allow the governments to let that happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_M&NR=1

Paul.

Just found an update on the original link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk4m1MLZudE&feature=related

[domwilson]

Yes he was a genius. He even figured out a way to control the weather. I was just reading up on him last night.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Ah, the lure of perpetual motion and the creation of energy from nothing. Folks, you simply cannot have a machine that produces more energy than it consumes. Those pesky laws of physics forbid it.

Some other views of Lutec:

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/1...etual-mot.html

And this:

Rosenthal and Cole

Report by Sterling D. Allan
March 8, 2003

Engineers, Walt Rosenthal and Parke Cole were invited to measure the Lutec1000 in January 2001. Their measurements showed results showed 28% efficiency. The exchange was amendable, despite the negative test results. Rosenthal stated, "I walked them through the calculations carefully so they would understand, but they didn't want to believe the results." Test entailed a dynamometer measuring output the motor, powering with power supply from wall producing DC volts, optical shaft encoder on end of shaft to measure rpm. Results showed 50 Watts power going in and 14 Watts equivalent of mechanical power coming out.

After receiving the above synopsis, Walt Rosenthal added the following:

Report by Walt Rosenthal
(recorded March 8, 2003)

The inventors would start with fully charged batteries for the demonstration. They assumed that the battery terminal voltage would decrease linearly as the battery was used. So, after using the battery for, say, 30 minutes, they would again measure the battery terminal voltage, and subtract this value from the start voltage, then multiply that difference voltage times the known amp-hour capacity of the battery bank, to come up with their assumption of the total energy consumed from the battery bank. Unfortunately, battery terminal voltage is almost flat for perhaps 90 percent of the battery capacity, before it drops off rather steeply for the last 10 percent of it's capacity. Parke Cole and I tried to explain this to the inventors. I am not sure we succeeded. We were about the 15th group of people to show up on their door step after they went public. We were the first people to bring our own test equipment. The inventors said that the first people to show up were the Russian Mafia. Our bottom line was 50 watts of DC power input, which resulted in 14 watts of rotary mechanical power output. I hope the inventors have improved their device from where we tested it so that it now matches their statements of it's performance.

We have serious issues to address so it is important that we not get sidetracked by the lunatic fringe looking to make a buck off our dire need for a new energy source.

[RCprince]

Ah, the lure of perpetual motion and the creation of energy from nothing. Folks, you simply cannot have a machine that produces more energy than it consumes. Those pesky laws of physics forbid it.

Some other views of Lutec:

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/1...etual-mot.html

And this:



We have serious issues to address so it is important that we not get sidetracked by the lunatic fringe looking to make a buck off our dire need for a new energy source.

They are called republicans... seriously though, in a capitalistic out of control society, people will try to sell you sand while you live on a beach.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Why not nuclear? Build nuclear plants to charge the electric cars.

I have my flame suit on.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Sadly nuclear power is doomed in this country. Between the regulatory structure that resulted from sheer ignorance of the anti nuke folks and the rampant equally ignorant NIMBY mind-set there is little chance of getting enough new nuke plants on line to make any difference.

It is without question the single best solution we have but public opinion and the costs that have crippled the industry just make it something that will never happen here.

Sadly, I think the day will come when some future generation will be sitting freezing in the dark trying to figure out how this all happened. I have begun to embrace the Gaia Theory more and more lately and it is not making me very optimistic.

[AndyKunz]

Which party hosts many of those anti-nuke zealots today?

Andy

[RCprince]

I have begun to embrace the Gaia Theory more and more lately and it is not making me very optimistic.

As Above so Below, The Earth is a living cell with in a living body. earth is a perfect symbiotic living organism... which will adjust to this demon called mankind that is wrecking havoc on it.

Fractal Geometry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_GBwuYuOOs