Ammo

[Ub Hauled]

The situation we have is what you get after years (and I'm not talking just 8) of no morals, no responsibility and no consequences.

I could not agree more with you...

How are criminals being protected though?
Let's not consider politicians for the topics' sake, they are hopeless anyway, it's part of the trade being shady...

[egneg]

Everything is so PC now days because of the liberals and bleeding harts. I have mentioned this before and I will mention it again ... it is time for the Grey Panthers! Abby Hoffman had the right idea back in the late 60's at the democratic convention (remember the Chicago seven). That is when our country came the closest to a modern day revolution and I think it is high time that we did it again. As we are the same generation just a bit older and hopefully wiser.

[Flying Scotsman]

Everything is so PC now days because of the liberals and bleeding harts. I have mentioned this before and I will mention it again ... it is time for the Grey Panthers! Abby Hoffman had the right idea back in the late 60's at the democratic convention (remember the Chicago seven). That is when our country came the closest to a modern day revolution and I think it is high time that we did it again. As we are the same generation just a bit older and hopefully wiser.

PC do not get me started as this will be a long night. The PC twits are now the idiots that they were perceived to be ??

Douggie

[Ub Hauled]

I don't think it's time to be PC, that ship has sailed...
it's time to break some eggs and make an omelet!
Get the word out that we will not put up with hidden agendas
nor any bullcrap that these selfish few single handedly mess up a nation
and life of MILLIONS of hard working people... that's what needs to happen...
time to take the rotten apples out of the basket.

[raptor347]

How are criminals being protected though?

Laws only effect those that abide by them and the small portion of criminals that get caught/tried/convicted. Don't worry, the violent ones will be out in 5-10 (3 with good behavior).

The real gun/defense issue comes down to two basic points of view:

1. Those who expect to be taken care of. Don't worry, the police will get there 10 minutes after they are contacted. Easy victims.

2. Those who can take care of themselves and repond to a threat. It still takes the police 10 minutes to get there once you contact them. Not so easy victims.

BTW. 10 minutes is a really long time for a rape victim, a member of my family can attest to that. Rapist was never caught, so much for laws. She's very good with a handgun now.

I would rather be in the second group and have that option remain open. The world isn't becoming more civilized. Violence is still common, and as the population density increases it only gets worse. We aren't alone, it's pretty standard among higher vertibrates (the old "too many rats in the cage" analogy).

If you ultimately set yourself up to be a victim, your chances of becoming one are much greater.

All this being said, I've never fired a shot in self defense and hope I never have to. My wife and I do shoot about 10k rounds a year at targets.

[detox]

Hopefully I have enough reloading supplies to last my lifetime and my son's lifetime?

5 shot group shot with factory 223 Remington 700 Varment Synthetic with factory shortened 20" barrel.

[Flying Scotsman]

Not bad but a bit high for the target value at how many feet?

Douggie

[detox]

It's all about the grouping and grouping only. Isn't 100 yards the standard?

[Ub Hauled]

(the old "too many rats in the cage" analogy).
If you ultimately set yourself up to be a victim, your chances of becoming one are much greater.
All this being said, I've never fired a shot in self defense and hope I never have to. My wife and I do shoot about 10k rounds a year at targets.

I truly understand your point, specially coming from a third world country and being victim of robbery myself.
The new law is not outcasting guns nor forbidding people to own guns... why does one need so much ammo? If it's really for self defense, then all one really needs at home is one clip (or six shots for revolvers) and that is not going to be a make or break the bank issue... if you wanna shoot 10k rounds a year then that's on you and does it even matter if they have your SS# on them (extrapolation)?! My point is, if one wants to defend him/herself then a basement full of boxes is not necessary.
Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, instead of having a gun at home we should have more cops or a different judiciary system, well, something to that order ? I also understand that it is something needed sooner then later... I am aware of all that... I still don't think that one needs to have pile of ammo boxes for so called, defense.

[Darin Jordan]

Guys... the 2nd ammendment was placed in the US Constitution for a reason... That reason is what is being attacked here... PUT it TOGETHER! Obama (the current face of the Left Wing of our country) will take the guns... meanwhile, he'll put into place his "Civilian Security Force", or whatever he's calling it....

If it sounds at all familiar, it should...

[AndyKunz]

You need to shoot to retain proficiency. That's why police are constantly at the range - they need to have practice. The more you practice, the more you are relaxed, and the more consistent your shooting.

The last thing you need if you're attacked is to panic. You need to know your weapon and be able to skillfully use it as second nature. Unless you have practiced, you WILL panic. Your shot will be off, and you'll be just as much a victim (maybe more) as if you were unarmed.

I could be playing banjo today as well as I did in college if it weren't that way.

Andy

[Ub Hauled]

According to this Ammunition Accountability Legislation, one can still keep and bear arms Darin (according to your post)... I guess I don't follow what the ruckus is all about...

[AndyKunz]

It's sad, but we need to defend ourselves FROM our government today. That's why we were supposed to have a militia and not a standing army.

Andy

[Ub Hauled]

Andy, aren't you being a little extreme here?
I have not the government invade my home with arms yet... although we don't have any privacy anymore these days, but that's a different ball of wax.

[AndyKunz]

According to this Ammunition Accountability Legislation, one can still carry arms Darin (according to your post)... I guess I don't follow what the ruckus is all about...

What good are arms if you can't put ammo into them? How can an armed rebellion be successful if the government has records of who has purchased stuff? Hitler did it.

BIG BROTHER is taking over.

Andy