Countries with Universal Health Care

[Steven Vaccaro]

but you can see a doctor and not pay through the nose for that privilege, you will not be turned away from a hospital, even if you are not a citizen of that country and have no travel insurrance.

Lol

Ask the 20 million illegal aliens residing in the USA if they are turned away at hospitals! They are not, as a matter of fact, check the local emergency rooms around Boston, the waits are ridiculous! They are filled with people that will not pay a cent!!!

[RCprince]

I don't know what you guys do for a living, but I feel I'm paid well for the hard work I do. That's what we do... we work, and get paid... The person/company providing me employment has every right to profit from my work... that's what they are paying me to be able to do. I produce, they sell, they get the profits, they pay me more...

I went to school, got a job, went to more school, got a better job... that's how life works...

And... my taxes (Federal) are lower today than they were 8-years ago, so the only thing Obama's plan is going to do is change that to make me pay more taxes, get paid less for my job, and perhaps put people out of work all together... Unless you are a government employee... in Medical, or a teacher... But then, all three of those are actually covered under "government employees" now, aren't they...

Darin, not all work is equal... not even one who works hard get a competitive salary, janitors work hard, but does it make the Principals who gets paid more, more important ? Maybe if the janitor didn't come to work and all the excrement starting backing up in the restrooms, or the school campus was impassible do to garbage, or the school started to deteriorate due to lack of up keep. The problem with capitalism is one of its covert tenets is classism.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Just a little food for thought...

The deficit is currently 1.7-Trillion, and it took 8-years, 911, and two war-fronts to get it there...

Obama's "plan" will increase that deficit "just a little" to 3.7-Trillion JUST THIS YEAR... .

Of course you ignore the fact that Obama is actually accounting for the costs of the two wars. Something which Bush did not in his numbers. But that never bothered you.

[Darin Jordan]

Darin, not all work is equal... not even one who works hard get a competitive salary, janitors work hard, but does it make the Principals who gets gets paid more, more important ?

If you are suggesting that that Janitor should make the same wage as a Software Engineer, then I just don't have time for this conversation... That's just rediculous...

News flash... we have "classes"... We have a normal distibution curve (does the Janitor know what that is???) of incomes and abilities and education levels and .... in this country. Be happy we have at least three... Some countries only have two... the ruling, and everyone else...

Now, does that mean I look down on the Janitor? Hell know... I've been there before... That IS an important job... But it doesn't take experience and long hours studying and student loans and major sacrifice to clean a toilet or mop a bathroom floor.... Sorry... don't mean to sound "classist" but it just doesn't... I've done it, I know...

Additionally... if push comes to shove... I can clean my own damn bathroom, AND develop the software... That comes from the fact that I've worked my way up to where I am, so I have the experience to do multiple tasks...

All of this adds up to why I get more pay than the Janitor, and NONE of it suggests that one job is more "important" than the other...

[Dr. Jet]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

The Jet Manifesto

Domestic

A. Taxes: Cut Federal Income Taxes by 2 percent per year over four years, for a minimum total of 8 percent over four years.
B. Size of Government: Reduce Federal Government Departments in size by 4 percent each year, for a total reduction of size by 16 percent over four years.
C. Welfare: Eliminate all public assistance for able-bodied recipients. Cut off all public assistance for immigrants for five years. After two years, repatriate those who are not working.
D. Foreign Companies: Immediately impose tariffs on cars and trucks owned by foreign entities, even if they’re manufactured in America. Double the taxes on all foreign-held real estate and investment instruments.
E. Illegal Aliens: Cause illegal aliens to build a wall between the United States and Mexico, and then, repatriate them. Pay them a one-time worker fee.
F. Military: Number One: Increase pay for active duty combat troops by 10 percent. Number Two: Fire any unmarried military person becoming pregnant while on active duty. Number Three: Combat Veterans receive preference over college grads in promotions. I prefer battle-tested officers in charge of our troops over university-educated MBAs.
G. Abortion: Make abortions illegal, except when the physical survival of the mother is threatened, to be determined by three medical doctors. Require Norplant for all women on welfare of childbearing age.
H. Sex Trades: Close all houses of sex and massage.
I. Drugs: Expand the DEA, while decriminalizing most drugs.
J. Corporate Media: Number One: eliminate all foreign ownership of any American media entity. Number Two: break up overly large conglomerates, like News Corporation.
K. Family: Encourage child bearing among tax paying citizens. Create a marriage incentive, through lower taxes for married heterosexual couples, and a government subsidy for each child conceived and carried to birth. Increase the subsidies for each year the couple remains married.
L. Incarcerated Illegal Aliens: Repatriate all illegal immigrants now incarcerated. Encourage all other illegals to self-repatriate through double taxation on wages and fines on employers.
M. Oil: Number One: Release Strategic Reserves. This will “burn” speculators in the pocketbook. Number Two: Drill here, drill now. Drill ANWR, drill offshore, drill oil shale, drill everywhere in the USA where there is oil. Encourage the construction of new transportation, refining, and distribution facilities.
N: Non Oil-Related Energy: Encourage new technologies (wind, solar, geothermal, tidal, hydrodynamic, whatever). Build nuke power plants everywhere feasible.

International

A. Iraq: Send in Iraqi troops to mop up pockets of resistance. Make Iraq pay with their oil for the cost of the war. Cordon off Sadr City, force all residents to leave, then go in and mop up all resistance fighters. Divide Iraq into three to four sectors; Sunni, Shiite, Kurd, and International. Next, remove all U.S. troops after above achieved.
B. Iran: Sanction, embargo, and mine their harbors. Nothing goes in, nothing comes out. If Iran continues to build nuclear weapons technologies, destroy their facilities (or encourage Israel to do so).
C. North Korea: Destroy their launching platforms, impose a Naval blockade on all goods coming in or out, except food.
D. Israel and Arab Entities: Give Israel four years to become self-sufficient. Cut off all foreign aid to all nations. If any Arab country attacks Israel with nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons, our response will be a nuclear attack on that country.
E. China: 20 percent tariffs on all Chinese-made goods immediately; rising by 5 percent each year for each year China refuses to revalue their currency.
F. United Nations: Withdraw immediately. Remove all Diplomats and staff. Convert the United Nations building into housing for the working poor.
G. Mexico: Force Mexico to pay one barrel of oil for every illegal alien in the United States of America per month.
H. National Security. Let all Islamic countries know that any attack whatsoever on United States interests will be considered an act of war and our response will not exclude a nuclear attack against any nation financing or otherwise supporting radical Islam. Since radical Islam has no political boundaries, an appropriate response to Islamic jihad is to turn Mecca to glass.

[Darin Jordan]

Of course you ignore the fact that Obama is actually accounting for the costs of the two wars. Something which Bush did not in his numbers. But that never bothered you.

BS... a deficit is a deficit...

And yes... Obama IS accounting for the cost of two wars... and counting on that cost extending INDEFINATELY through-out his term (terms, actually, as he's budgeted out through two terms)... He's padding his budget with those numbers so he can have us all marvel at the "cuts" in the buget that he'll "find" later... Nevermind that this funding was already slated to drop off over the next two years or so...

Fun with Numbers is a favorite Democratic passtime...

Oh, and by the way... this "budget" will grow the Federal government by 29% to the end of 2012... and 57% or so if he gets a second term... You simply can't DO that without raising EVERYONE's taxes and considerably! They've flat-out lied to you... and you support them fully...

[Flying Scotsman]

Quote from Steven

"Ask the 20 million illegal aliens residing in the USA if they are turned away at hospitals! They are not, as a matter of fact, check the local emergency rooms around Boston, the waits are ridiculous! They are filled with people that will not pay a cent"

Steven, try that if you do not have USA documentation.

Douggie

[Flying Scotsman]

Wake up America, your job may be gone and no private health insurance benefits.

Douggie

[Bill-SOCAL]

BS... a deficit is a deficit...

Oh, OK, I get it. It matters not that Bush lied doing his budgets to make the deficit look smaller, it's Obama who is the bad guy.

You simply can't DO that without raising EVERYONE's taxes and considerably! They've flat-out lied to you... and you support them fully...

Not sure how that is. In the budget outline released yesterday he held to his promise of lowering taxes on people who make less than $250K per year. Everyone else will see their taxes go down. Based on your fervent rants about taxes going up I assume that you are in that top 5% over $250K, and that sucks. Fortunately you have to be making more than about $650K before the really large increases kick in, so I hope you are not in that group.

[RCprince]

If you are suggesting that that Janitor should make the same wage as a Software Engineer, then I just don't have time for this conversation... That's just rediculous...

News flash... we have "classes"... We have a normal distibution curve (does the Janitor know what that is???) of incomes and abilities and education levels and .... in this country. Be happy we have at least three... Some countries only have two... the ruling, and everyone else...

Now, does that mean I look down on the Janitor? Hell know... I've been there before... That IS an important job... But it doesn't take experience and long hours studying and student loans and major sacrifice to clean a toilet or mop a bathroom floor.... Sorry... don't mean to sound "classist" but it just doesn't... I've done it, I know...

Additionally... if push comes to shove... I can clean my own damn bathroom, AND develop the software... That comes from the fact that I've worked my way up to where I am, so I have the experience to do multiple tasks...

All of this adds up to why I get more pay than the Janitor, and NONE of it suggests that one job is more "important" than the other...

Actually no, but the janitor should be able to afford a home like the S.E. to call his own like the S.E.

[Bill-SOCAL]

I live in an area with a fairly large Latino population, especially just south of me in San Juan Capistrano. What really interests me is how many white folks you see at the local free clinic. My wife works for the hospital that runs it, and they have always had a fair number of non-Latino patients and the number has shot up recently.

As far as the emergency room goes, I've been twice in the last 2 years. Both times I had pretty good wait times in excess of 2 hours. Neither time was there anything other than a bunch of white folks just like me. I guess none of the Latinos got hurt the days I did.

This xenophobic hysteria about illegal immigrants is just silly. What I really love is that one of the largest employers of non-White Latinos around me is a huge landscape company. He lives in a mega mansion (I've been there) and goes to parties in a limo so he can drink like a fish (very responsible of him actually). This all the while that his workers have to go to the free clinic since he refuses to give them any health benefits. Lazy ba$tards don't deserve it anyhow. If they worked harder they could be rich and would not need somebody else to pay for their health care.

[RCprince]

by David Conway, A Farewell to Marx: An Outline and Appraisal of His Theories (Harmondsworth, Middlesex: Penguin Books, 1987), pp. 98-124

According to Marx, capitalists are able to make profits only by exploiting their workers. Profits are made by the capitalist's appropriation of the surplus value created by the labour of his workers. In other words, profits are made by the workers producing for their capitalist employers sums of value greater than they are paid in wages. That sum of value which the workers receive in wages they pay back to the capitalist by working for the period of necessary labour. The sums of value that are created by workers during the period of surplus labour represent for the capitalist pure gain. It is a return for which they make no equivalent outlay. Marx called the rate of surplus vale, therefore, 'an exact expression for the degree of exploitation of labour-power by capital, or of the worker by the capitalist.

[Darin Jordan]

Not sure how that is. In the budget outline released yesterday he held to his promise of lowering taxes on people who make less than $250K per year. Everyone else will see their taxes go down. Based on your fervent rants about taxes going up I assume that you are in that top 5% over $250K, and that sucks. Fortunately you have to be making more than about $650K before the really large increases kick in, so I hope you are not in that group.

No, hardly... but apparently you missed the little ditty's in there about couples making over $209,000 combined will no longer be able to write-off mortgage interest?? Just one of the many, MANY little tidbits that WILL raise MANY more people that are below $250K...

But it's pointless to argue with you guys about this... you don't want to look at actuals... you are content to just listen to the speach that was written for him...

And after today, don't try to BS me about Education... I just found out today that our schools are cutting teacher pay, cutting back in several areas, changing the way that federal money is given out, changing teacher pay based on how the school is performing, increasing class sizes... OH, and raising our property taxes by over 6% THIS year... There is some stimulous for you...

Actually no, but the janitor should be able to afford a home like the S.E. to call his own like the S.E.

That's a CROCK OF CRAP! That's taking from the have's and giving to the have-nots... If the Janitor works hard, and saves money, and does the right thing... they SHOULD be able to afford a house... HOWEVER, it's REDICULOUS to say that they should be alble "to afford a home like the S.E."... Hell... what's the point in getting experience and an education if I can be just a prosperous cleaning floors??

You guys can't really believe this crap, can you???

[Darin Jordan]

OBAMA'S TWO-WEEK RECAP

1, The American people elect a black president with a total of 42 days experience as a U S Senator from the most politically corrupt state in America whose governor is ousted from office. The President's first official act is to close Gitmo and make sure Terrorists civil rights are not violated.

2, The U.S. Congress rushes to confirm a black Attorney General, Eric Holder, whose law firm we later find out represents seventeen Gitmo Terrorists.

3, The CIA Boss, Leon Penetta with absolutely no experience, has a daughter Linda we find out, that is a true radical anti-American activist who is a supporter of all the Anti-American regimes in the western hemisphere.

4. We got the most corrupt female in America as Secretary of State; bought and paid for.

5. We got a Tax Cheat for Treasury Secretary who files his own taxes.

6. A Commerce Secretary nominee who withdrew due to corruption charges.

7. A Tax cheat nominee for Chief Performance Officer who withdrew under charges.

8. A Labor Sec'y nominee who withdrew under charges of unethical conduct.

9. A Sec'y HHS nominee who withdrew under charges of cheating on his taxes.

And that's just the first two weeks . . . but who's counting.

America is being run by the modern-day Three Stooges ~ Barrack, Nancy , and Harry ~ and they are still trying to define stimulus.

Stimulus is where the government gives a smidgen of your tax dollars back to you making you feel so good about yourself [stimulated] that you want to run out to Wal-Mart and buy a new Chinese-made HDTV and go home and watch Telemundo!

One Big Ass Mistake, America...

[RCprince]

Obama is just following the policies put in placed by his masters, like any other president before him. Darin are you ready to take the Capitol or The White House? let me know when your ready.