Countries with Universal Health Care

[Bill-SOCAL]

Darin, the MILLIONS of people in this country who are poor and underprivileged are NOT the exceptions. Conservatives are the ones who love to point to the exceptions. Like the moron who just had 8 more babies. But by doing so it helps you to ignore the real pain and suffering that is going on right in your own backyard.

And nobody is talking about "simply handing out money". I am talking about not wanting to live in a country where people die simply because they cannot afford to stay alive!! Clearly you have no issues with that and even appear to have the idea that they somehow deserve it because they did not take advantage of all that was offered to them.

[egneg]

We already pay for stupid people.

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[Darin Jordan]

Clearly you have no issues with that and even appear to have the idea that they somehow deserve it because they did not take advantage of all that was offered to them.

If that's what you think I'm saying, then you are clearly entrenched in your own agenda and aren't listening to what I'm saying at all...

[Flying Scotsman]

Oh dear boys will be boys. It is time for people in the USA to wake up to the fact they are not the top dog anymore. You have created a huge financial mess based on the greed of corporate CEO's who looked no further than 6 months down the road to placate their shareholders who were keen for more revenue.
We, globally are in real trouble. China, now has huge monetary reserves. Guess what companies they will buy for a song or they face bankrupcy.

Douggie

[RCprince]

Oh dear boys will be boys. It is time for people in the USA to wake up to the fact they are not the top dog anymore. You have created a huge financial mess based on the greed of corporate CEO's who looked no further than 6 months down the road to placate their shareholders who were keen for more revenue.
We, globally are in real trouble. China, now has huge monetary reserves. Guess what companies they will buy for a song or they face bankrupcy.

Douggie

Don't forget WAR. The Military Industrial Corporate Complex. Capitalist hire the military to exploited other nations... I've always wondered if the U.S. was really about policing, Why they never went neck to neck with China, North Korea or even Russia... I guess nothing for the profiteers to profit.

[Flying Scotsman]

War, Britain paid off its debt to Canada for the second world war..THIS YEAR

Douggie

[Darin Jordan]

Just a little food for thought...

The deficit is currently 1.7-Trillion, and it took 8-years, 911, and two war-fronts to get it there...

Obama's "plan" will increase that deficit "just a little" to 3.7-Trillion JUST THIS YEAR... It will increase, according to his "plan", to over 7-trillion by the end of his term... This is according to his OWN budget... All while ENDING the war in Iraq, and hopefully not having to deal with any other type of crissis like 911 or Katrina or the Texas Storms... (of course, the Texas storms mostly affected white, affluent people, so they likely aren't a major concern to this administration anyhow... We certainly didn't hear anywhere near the outcries on the news about it... )

And what are we getting for this increase?? Is it aimed at helping the economy "recover"??? Hardly... You aren't going to do that with Universal Healthcare, bridges/roads, or studying pig odors... NONE of this will help...


Maybe we need to take back the pardons we've given to all those countries over the years, whose a$$es the US has saved through Military and UN actions, who owe us money from these efforts?? Or just quite contributing to the UN all together and let the rest of the World fend for itself???

Yah... a bunch of Capitalistic Pigs we sure are....


This "crisis" as they are MAKING it with their constant barrage of doom and gloom, is largely being made worse by the direction they are going. It IS solvable with less money than they are trying to spend, if that money is targeted toward fixing it... It's not however, so here we are...

[Flying Scotsman]

Ah, now we see the problem..After the second world war what American intervention was not done without a political or monetary viewpoint? History 101 Darin

Douggie

[RCprince]

Darin, your a funny guy... But I like debating with you, you write well and you hold firm, which doesn't mean your right though. Obama's plan is to replace the monies BUSH(Bankrupt United States.Happens) allowed his cronies to reap of the backs of hard working Americans... in 8 BUSH has raided if not ALL of the American Peoples retirement savings.

[Darin Jordan]

Ah, now we see the problem..After the second world war what American intervention was not done without a political viewpoint? History 101 Darin

Douggie

I know my US History Douggie...

Remember your thoughts here the next time the UN goes to action, and the blood being spilled is American troops...

I think you guys need to get a little more detailed than just trying to cover everything under the term "politics"...

[Darin Jordan]

...allowed his cronies to reap of the backs of hard working Americans... in 8 BUSH has raided if not ALL of the American Peoples retirement savings.

I don't know what you guys do for a living, but I feel I'm paid well for the hard work I do. That's what we do... we work, and get paid... The person/company providing me employment has every right to profit from my work... that's what they are paying me to be able to do. I produce, they sell, they get the profits, they pay me more...

I went to school, got a job, went to more school, got a better job... that's how life works...

And... my taxes (Federal) are lower today than they were 8-years ago, so the only thing Obama's plan is going to do is change that to make me pay more taxes, get paid less for my job, and perhaps put people out of work all together... Unless you are a government employee... in Medical, or a teacher... But then, all three of those are actually covered under "government employees" now, aren't they...

[Flying Scotsman]

Darin, the Canadian forces in Afgahistan have lost many souls. The Brits in Iraq. That comment" Remember your thoughts here the next time the UN goes to action, and the blood being spilled is American troops" is rubbish!!!

Douggie

[Steven Vaccaro]

Bill I have family members working in the Massachusetts "welfare" system. Its amazing how many people are taken care of with our tax dollars that shouldn't be. I don't believe my tax dollars should be going to lazy people that keep having kids!

My retired father in law goes to the gym every other day around 12pm, he always sees a young guy in there working out. After a month or so they get friendly, so he asked the guy what he does for work. He says "I don't work, I'm on social security for disability". This guys in his thirties and working out with free weights on a regular basis.

My cousin's a recovering drug addict that also on the "social security disability".

What a system we have!! Mess up and our government will toss you some cash. Work hard and our government will take your cash from you!

[Flying Scotsman]

Steven, go back to my discourse on public health care. What is wrong with this picture.

Scottish/Canadian reply.
As one who has witnesed 2 different public health care systems. They do have their faults...lengthy wait times for surgery, but you can see a doctor and not pay through the nose for that privilege, you will not be turned away from a hospital, even if you are not a citizen of that country and have no travel insurrance. As to the best doctors only reside in the USA that is knowsense...first heart transplant, South Africa, etc. etc.
The doctors who want to make a lot of money, do reside in the USA. Are they more skilled, I doubt it?

[Darin Jordan]

Darin, the Canadian forces in Afgahistan have lost many souls. The Brits in Iraq. That comment" Remember your thoughts here the next time the UN goes to action, and the blood being spilled is American troops" is rubbish!!!

Douggie

Douggie, the US, Canada, and the Brits... In my opinion, we are all brothers in arms... and these countries are NOT who I'm referring to.

Even so... by the numbers, the US has by FAR the largest forces of UN troops that get deployed to any of these conflicts, AND they take our money as well... If we pulled out of the UN, where would it be??? You going to rely on China to come to your aide??

It's not rubbish, it's simply fact... Your comments have been aimed at the US and our Government... and by God... I'm going to respond accordingly with that in mind...