Important day!

[Dr. Jet]

We are attacked everyday.

Not to the extent that the Jihadists did on September 11, 2001.

These guys are all about symbolism. You can bet they want their NEXT attack to be bigger and more spectacular than the last.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Lastly, I was offended by the racist remarks from that preacher that gave the invocation yesterday: "When yellow people can be mellow, and when whites adopt what is right." What would the media have done if it was George Bush that said that?

Maybe it would help if you knew more about him and the source of the remark. First, he is one of the best known Civil Rights leaders in the US. He worked closely with Martin Luther King, Jr. and has continued King's work since King was murdered. SO he is not just "some old fellow" as Glenn Beck tried to portray him.

The passage you find offensive comes from a song named "Lift Every Voice and Sing" it is also known as the "Black National Anthem" and is recognized as one of the most inspirational messages about the Civil Rights movements in the US. It was set to music in 1900. So it has some history behind it.

Maybe if you took a minute or two to try to understand the background of some of these things you would be less easily offended.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift_Every_Voice_and_Sing

I understand that you have a near paranoid fear of Obama and what you think he stands for, but can you honestly say that you think the past 8 years have gone well and that we were on the right track??

[Bill-SOCAL]

BHO does not have a mandate. 47% of the people did not vote for him.

I am curious, did you feel the same about Bush in 2000 48% of the people did not vote for him? And I suppose the fact that Bush got 50.7% of the vote in 2004 is a mandate then, right?? Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly all claimed it as such. As did Bush himself.

It is amusing that Obama got 9.5 million votes more than McCain and yet that is not a mandate in your eyes. But you were fine with Bush being appointed as the President after LOSING the popular vote in 2000 and getting a 3 million vote margin in 2004. So Obama get a margin 3 times larger than what was called a mandate by Bush and the right but it is not a mandate?? And he got 7.4 million more popular votes than Bush did in 2004, but that is not a mandate? OK. I think I understand.

[AndyKunz]

...can you honestly say that you think the past 8 years have gone well and that we were on the right track??

I believe that our former President has been trying to get/keep us on the right track, but that he has been hindered drastically by the Congresses he had to deal with most of his term, or by actions of previous administrations (momentum, so to speak).

Things like requiring loans to people who the banks know will be very unlikely to be able to pay, using quotas to make loans rather than sound financial data, having Senators (one former one in particular, who has now changed office) with ties to the lenders, etc.

Andy

[Dr. Jet]

Maybe it would help if you knew more about him and the source of the remark. First, he is one of the best known Civil Rights leaders in the US. He worked closely with Martin Luther King, Jr. and has continued King's work since King was murdered. SO he is not just "some old fellow" as Glenn Beck tried to portray him.

The passage you find offensive comes from a song named "Lift Every Voice and Sing" it is also known as the "Black National Anthem" and is recognized as one of the most inspirational messages about the Civil Rights movements in the US. It was set to music in 1900. So it has some history behind it.

Maybe if you took a minute or two to try to understand the background of some of these things you would be less easily offended.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift_Every_Voice_and_Sing

I understand that you have a near paranoid fear of Obama and what you think he stands for, but can you honestly say that you think the past 8 years have gone well and that we were on the right track??

We weren't attacked by the Jihadis were we? They want to attack us don't they?


I don't care where that remark came from. I still find it a racist remark and I am offended. Tom Sawyer and Huckelyberry Finn(a novel by Mark Twain) had a character named Nigger Jim, and that book is considered racist too (never mind that Nigger Jim was the hero and voice of sanity and reason in the book). Where a racist remark originates is not the issue; it is the context in which it is used. I have a feeling we are going to hear a lot of "Cracker", "Whitey", "Peckerwood", "Jive-a$$ Honkey" and the like coming from influential people in the news in this country and the media will be silent.

There is one group of people that can be trashed with impunity in this country. They are white, male christians, and blonde (white by default) women.

Am I the only person that sees several layers of double standards?

[Dr. Jet]

I am curious, did you feel the same about Bush in 2000 48% of the people did not vote for him? And I suppose the fact that Bush got 50.7% of the vote in 2004 is a mandate then, right??

It is amusing that Obama got 9.5 million votes more than McCain and yet that is not a mandate in your eyes. But you were fine with Bush being appointed as the President after LOSING the popular vote in 2000 and getting a 3 million vote margin in 2004. SO Obama get a margin 3 times larger than what was called a mandate by Bush and the right but it is not a mandate?? OK. I think I understand.

Other than keeping us safe, reducing taxes, a helping Africa, Indonesia, India, several Eastern-European counties, and others; I was as disappointed in George's handling of the Office as I was of Clinton. The 16 years of Clinton-Bush have ruined this country. George's financial bail-out of financial and auto industries was beyond ludicrous; his policy on illegal aliens was a disgrace (I expect BHO to do worse in this area); and so on. No, George was not my hero, but he was the lesser of two evils running in 2000 and 2004.

This brings me back to a statement I made some time ago: When did you last vote FOR somebody rather than against somebody? You know that much of BHO's support was from the crowd that had the mantra "Anybody but Bush". Much of BHO's campaign was: "I'm not George Bush", he never really told us who BHO was, just who he wasn't.

Ronald Reagan had a mandate. No other President since has. I don't give a rat's behind about your stinking statistics. Remember there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. Bush didn't LOSE the election. Yes, he got fewer popular votes (this wasn't the first time this happened). That's why our founding fathers established the Electoral College: To prevent heavily-populated states from controlling elections over the voice of the less-populated states.

Bill, you will never convince me that your Left-wing politics are right, and I will never convince you that my Right-wing politics are right (Right-wing politics = RIGHT ) Let's discuss this in four years and see who is the real prophet.

I want to end this with a few words about Hope and Change:

Hope:
An excuse for inaction.

Change:
(A verse from "Sympathy for the Devil")
"...I stuck around Saint Petersburg, when I saw it was a time for a CHANGE
I killed the Czar and his Ministers, Anastasia screamed in vain....
...Pleased to meet, don't you know my name?"

That change was your good friend Vladimir, if you recall.

[Capt. Crash]

Am I the only person that sees several layers of double standards?

You want to see double standards...try working for the State of Alabama!

[RCprince]

Not to the extent that the Jihadists did on September 11, 2001.

These guys are all about symbolism. You can bet they want their NEXT attack to be bigger and more spectacular than the last.

"You have nothing to fear, but fear it's self"

Not to lessen the deaths of 911, But more people die from Cigarettes produced by American companies yearly...

More people die from heart disease every year eating foods produced by American companies yearly...

Not to be cynical, but I can go on and on and on. 12,000 deaths per year due to unnecessary surgery.

7000 deaths per year due to medication errors in hospitals.

20,000 deaths per year due to other errors in hospitals.

80,000 deaths per year due to infections in hospitals.

106,000 deaths per year due to negative effects of drugs.

So the Jihadists are the least of my threats, they are just somebodies wet dream. If those who were in charge fulfilled their duty with pride and professionalism like that Us Airways pilot, those who died on 911 would still be alive( Unless it was allowed to happened).

When I wake up in the morning the Jihadists aren't giving that kind of power in my life, But when I go the the super market I wonder what safety inspection exceed the minimal, bordering criminal food safety standards the FDA have in place, Or maybe its the FCC trying to limit my freedom of speech on the airways, the EPA for allowing such egregious standard on pollutants, toxic air, toxic land, toxic water------------------------------------- flat line ,now I'm at the mercy of the Pharmaceutical drug companies, Oh great master please save my heart while I give you my left eye and kidneys, But wait if you throw your spleen in, you get a life time subscription of that wonderful blue pill(Viagra).

[Bill-SOCAL]

Bill, you will never convince me that your Left-wing politics are right,

I am actually not trying to do that. But I am trying to point out that you are internally inconsistent. Bush loses one election in the popular vote and gets 1/3rd fewer votes in the second one and you were fine with that and had no problems with the right wing pundits declaring it a "mandate". But Obama gets more popular votes and wins with a greater percentage of the vote and that is not a "mandate".

All I ever try to do is to have people apply the same logic to both sides of an argument irrespective of their political leanings.

And it is amusing how you want to deny the factual numbers by trying to discount them as "statistics".

Oh and one more thing. First you note that 47% of the people did not vote for Obama that it means something. Then when called out on that you retreat to a discussion of the electoral college. So first the popular vote is meaningful, then it is not. It either is or it is not. But you cannot use it to support both sides of your argument.

[Dr. Jet]

I am actually not trying to do that. But I am trying to point out that you are internally inconsistent. Bush loses one election in the popular vote and gets 1/3rd fewer votes in the second one and you were fine with that and had no problems with the right wing pundits declaring it a "mandate".

Find where I ever said GW had a mandate.

Oh and one more thing. First you note that 47% of the people did not vote for Obama that it means something.

That means a lot of people did not think he was the best candidate for the job. That's all. Don't try to read too much between the lines.

[Dr. Jet]

7000 deaths per year due to medication errors in hospitals.

20,000 deaths per year due to other errors in hospitals.

80,000 deaths per year due to infections in hospitals.

106,000 deaths per year due to negative effects of drugs.

These are not intentional murders at the hand of individuals with no other goal than to kill as many people as possible. Most hospitals actually try to SAVE lives. Errors, omissions, and corporate greed may account for more deaths across the country of 350 million people, but in a 3-block area of New York City, I doubt any pharmeceutical company or hospital has done that kind of damage.

See what you can do with statistics?

[RCprince]

Anytime you CHOOSE money over people lives, it's deliberate. Anytime you CHOOSE short cuts over peoples lives it's deliberate. Those stats I post would have been less, if people took pride in what they do.

[JimClark]

I would like to add that now with the one party rule by the D's that look at their popularity numbers. Last time I looked they were lower than Bushes and they (both D' and R's) are a a big cause of the Doo Doo we are in now.

Jim

[Dr. Jet]

Here's something SoCal Bill will find amazing. I actually think BHO did a commendable job today in pulling in the reigns on lobbyists, and his "Transparency in Government" position. I hope he continues in this direction, as this is a welcome change. I haven't followed-up on this, I just read one article; but on the surface it looks like a good start.

[Bill-SOCAL]

I was just listening to his new policy announcement on NPR. Seems like he is not wasting any time making it clear that there's a new Sheriff in town.

But this is all prelude to the giant public works projects to build the re-education camps to turn you all into good little Socialists. I'm bucking for a top spot at one of the SOCAL centers, so maybe I'll see you there Dr. Jet!!