Some food for thought (obama)

[Bill-SOCAL]

What was the country founded in??? What were our forefathers?? Did they worship Alah or the devil?? Lets keep taking God out of things. It's worked great so far.

Actually by and large they were Deists which is NOT the same as Christians. Do some research. The idea that the US was founded as a "Christian" nation is simply incorrect.

Here's a pretty good site:

http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html

Much of the angst of the Christian Right is based on the incorrect assumption that the US was founded as a "Christian" Nation.

[Avanti]

[Flying Scotsman]

I should not be interferring in you debate, but I do not care if you are a Republican or a Democrat. The world has not collapsed under either doctrine...YET. The lines of both parties have become muddied over the years. Just vote for what candidate has the best vision for your country and the WORLD in a thoughtful manner.

Douggie

[Avanti]

[ghostofpf1]

Desperate means for desperate people ............

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What's this
By Deborah Hastings, The Associated Press



NEW YORK - In the hours before Election Day, as inevitable as winter, comes an onslaught of dirty tricks.


There have been confusing e-mails, disturbing phone calls and insinuating fliers left on doorsteps during the night.


The intent, almost always, is to keep people from voting or to confuse them, usually through intimidation or misinformation.


But, in this presidential race, in which a black man leads most polls, some of the deceit has a decidedly racist bent.


Complaints have surfaced in predominantly African-American neighbourhoods of Philadelphia where fliers have circulated.


They warn voters they could be arrested at the polls if they had unpaid parking tickets or if they had criminal convictions.


Over the weekend in Virginia, bogus fliers with an authentic-looking commonwealth seal said fears of high voter turnout had prompted election officials to hold two elections.


One will be on Tuesday for Republicans, the correct day, and another on Wednesday for Democrats, which would be after election.


In New Mexico, two Hispanic women filed a lawsuit last week claiming they were harassed by a private investigator working for a Republican lawyer who came to their homes and threatened to call immigration authorities, even though they are U.S. citizens.


"He was questioning her status, saying that he needed to see her papers and documents to show that she was a U.S. citizen and was a legitimate voter," said Guadalupe Bojorquez.


She was speaking on behalf of her mother, Dora Escobedo, a 67-year-old Albuquerque resident who speaks only Spanish.


"He totally, totally scared the heck out of her."


In Pennsylvania, e-mails appeared linking Democrat Barack Obama to the Holocaust.


"Jewish Americans cannot afford to make the wrong decision on Tuesday, Nov. 4," said the electronic message.


It was paid for by an entity calling itself the Republican Federal Committee.


"Many of our ancestors ignored the warning signs in the 1930s and 1940s and made a tragic mistake."


Laughlin McDonald, who leads the American Civil Liberties Union's Voting Rights Project, said he has never seen "an election where there was more interest and more voter turnout, and more efforts to suppress registration and turnout. And that has a real impact on minorities."

The Obama campaign and civil rights advocacy groups have signed up millions of new voters for this presidential race.

In Ohio alone, some 600,000 have submitted new voter registration cards.

Across the country, many of these first-time voters are young and strong Obama supporters.

Many are also black and Hispanic.

Activist groups say it's this fresh crop of ballot-minded citizens that makes some Republicans very nervous.

They say they expect the dirty tricks to get dirtier in the final hours before Tuesday, especially in battleground states like Pennsylvania, Virginia and New Mexico.

"Oh, there's plenty of time for things to get ugly," said Zachary Stalberg, president of The Committee of Seventy, a Philadelphia-based government watchdog group that is non partisan.

Other reports of intimidation efforts in the hotly contested state of Pennsylvania include leaflets taped to picnic benches at Drexel University.

They warn students that police would be at the polls on Tuesday to arrest would-be voters with prior criminal offences.

In his Jewish neighbourhood, Stalberg said, fliers were recently left claiming Obama was more sympathetic to Palestinians than to Israel, and showed a photograph of him speaking in Germany.

"It shows up between the screen door and the front door in the middle of the night," Stalberg said. "Why couldn't someone knock on the door and hand that to me in the middle of the day?

"In a sense, it's very smartly done. The message gets through. It's done carefully enough that people might read it."

Such tactics are common, and are often impossible to trace.

Robo-calls, in which automated phone messages are sent over and over, are very hard to trace to their source, say voting advocates.

E-mails fall into the same category.

In Nevada, for example, Latino voters said they had received calls from people describing themselves as Obama volunteers, urging them to cast their ballot over the phone.

The calls were reported to Election Protection, a non-profit advocacy group that runs a hot line for election troubles. The organization does not know who orchestrated them.

"The Voting Rights Act makes it a crime to mislead and intimidate voters," said McDonald. "If you can find out who's doing it, those people should be prosecuted."

Trying to mislead voters is nothing new.

"We see this every year," said Jonah Goldman of the advocacy group Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law.

"It all happens around this time when there's too much other stuff going on in the campaigns, and it doesn't get investigated."

In 2006, automated phone calls in the final days leading to the federal election wrongly warned voters they would not be allowed to vote without a photo identity.

In Colorado and Virginia, people reported receiving calls that told them their registrations had expired and they would be arrested if they showed up to vote.

The White House contest of 2004 was marked by similar deceptions.

In Milwaukee, fliers went up advising people "if you've already voted in any election this year, you can't vote in the presidential election."

In Pennsylvania, a letter bearing what appeared to be the McCandless Township seal falsely proclaimed that in order to cut long voting lines, Republicans would cast ballots on Nov. 2 and Democrats would vote on Nov. 3, the wrong day.

E-mail assaults have become increasingly popular this year, keeping pace with the proliferation of blogging and Obama's massive online campaign efforts, according to voting activists.

"It is newer and more furious than it ever has been before," Goldman said.

Republicans are not exempt.

"Part of it is that election campaigns are more online than ever before," said Goldman.

"During the primaries, a lot of Web sites went up that seemed to be for (Republican candidate Rudy) Giuliani, but actually were attack sites."

New York City's former mayor and his high-profile colleagues Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney were also targeted in fake Internet sites that featured "quotes" from the candidates espousing support for extreme positions they never endorsed.


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I searched for Democrat dirty tricks but couldn't find much of anything....MUST BE THAT DAM LIBERAL PRESS YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS RANTING ABOUT

Ghost

[Darin Jordan]

I searched for Democrat dirty tricks but couldn't find much of anything....MUST BE THAT DAM LIBERAL PRESS YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS RANTING ABOUT

Ghost

DUDE... you are SERIOUSLY reaching...

Yup... there you have it... the Obama campaign has been truely run cleanly... He IS the modern day Mesiah...

[Avanti]

They are just preparing their excuses in advance Darin

[RCprince]

Election documents found on junction of I-4, I-275 http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingne...documents.html.

[Avanti]

Classic, I guess FL will be the butt of more jokes this year

Election documents found on junction of I-4, I-275 http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingne...documents.html.

nice one

[Bill-SOCAL]

Election documents found on junction of I-4, I-275 http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingne...documents.html.

According to the link and a couple of other sources I've seen these were not actual "election" documents but rather campaign documents. Still, what a mess.

[Flying Scotsman]

Will, you guys grow up and play with toy boats, as all normal adults do???

Douggie

[RCprince]

My point for this was that the mess this country is in, Voting is a joke.. If the fed, would place these Frockers behind bars that crap would cease, 8 years and we are still having voting machines switching ballots... I grew up in New York, 20 million plus people and why is it that they don't suffer from the voting nonsense, long lines(without early voting) flaky ballots, as most of these RED states... Cheating is the Repubs way of life...

[highndry]

Tomorrow the skies will open and all will hail the prescence of Obama. All will be right with the world.

I just sent my mortgage payment book to 1500 Pennsylvania Ave.

Thanks Barry. You're the man.

[ghostofpf1]

Tomorrow the skies will open and all will hail the prescence of Obama. All will be right with the world.

I just sent my mortgage payment book to 1500 Pennsylvania Ave.

Thanks Barry. You're the man.

If I recall the debates correctly it was actually McCain who wanted to buy up all the bad mortgages with guvmint funds so your thanks are a little misplaced

Ghost

[Bill-SOCAL]

Indeed he did. And oddly not one person raised a stink about BIG Gubbermint or "Socialism" when he did.