So this is what hes going to do if he gets in

[Bill-SOCAL]

I think your solutions reflect the same situation that your in......

ANd I think you have not been paying attention.

Don't drill

Wrong. I want to drill. I just recognize that it will not solve our problem. But we need the oil and gas. Without it our economy will collapse. Petroleum is more than just fuel, it is also the feedstock for an overwhelming amount of our manufacturing processes, which is why it is stupid to burn it in our cars and to make electricity.

Don't build coal plants to make electricty

Wrong again. We have a butt load of coal and I think we should use it. But can you, or anyone, explain to me why we cannot do so without fouling the air?? We have the technology, so let's use it. It is the power companies who don't want to do it for cost reasons. And that seems OK with folks like you. But then you turn around and say let's go after oil shale that will cost an order of magnitude more than it will to have clean coal burning plants. That makes no sense to me.

Pay high taxes but
Spend, spend, spend, spend, spend

This is amusing. On the Federal level it is the conservative (allegedly so) administration that has set new records in spending and the size of government. Yet somehow they have convinced you that it is liberals who are the spenders!! And when a liberal administration takes over and has to raise taxes to pay the bill for the previous administrations spending you all say, "see, there you go".

As far as California goes, again, the vast majority of our spending is locked in and cannot be changed by much. What can be changed are revenues, and due to the bizarre referendum process we have in this state it is often the good people themselves who back us into the corner we are in.

It's $100,000 for individuals and $200,000 per family the last time I looked.

What the hell is $100K in Ca anyway, the poverty level?

Median household income in California is $56,645. For the US it is $48,451

http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/28/real_estate/wealthiest_states/index.htm

$100K per year here in CA is still upper 5%. So again most people will not pay higher taxes.

I don't have the time to look into your worry about getting some oil on a polar bear or something. If there is not any oil there, why are they talking about it?

I have no idea what you are talking about here.

Your right, we have no oil and need to stop buying it tomorrow.....

Or here. We have oil. We do not have enough to free us from foreign oil. We do not have enough to last forever. And we certainly don't have enough to keep wasting it by burning it in our cars.

[sjslhill]

I agree with everything you just said....look above and you will see that I stated that Bush spent us into major problems with the war in Iraq.

The next president is in for a real shocker and won't be in 8 years....

I am assuming that property values has greatly reduced the tax base in CA

[sjslhill]

Yorba Linda, California, where six-figure incomes are the rule, had the highest median income at $121,075. The Orange County town is considerably wealthier than the second place city, Pleasanton, California, in the Bay area, which had a median income of $105,956

Get ready to pay up......

[Dr. Jet]

Jeeze, I make $100K and I'm barely squeaking by. I didn't know I was "rich". No way am I in the upper 5%.

Raising taxes actually reduces total revenues. Reducing taxes increases revenues. Of course, this is to a point, I realize if taxes were 0%, there would be no revenue; conversely if you were taxed at 100% would you go to work in the morning?

Truman cut taxes, revenues went up above prior years (taking into account inflation and population growth).
Kennedy cut taxes, revenues went up above prior years (taking into account inflation and population growth).
Reagan cut taxes, revenues went up above prior years. (taking into account inflation and population growth).
Bush cut taxes, revenues went up above prior years (taking into account inflation and population growth).

Hmmmm..... Is there a pattern here?


How many poor people hire workers?
The "rich" already pay the major portion of the taxes. Taxing them more will only make them go someplace else.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Jeeze, I make $100K and I'm barely squeaking by. I didn't know I was "rich". No way am I in the upper 5%.

And yet you are.

Fully 90% of people surveyed think of themselves as "middle class".

And keep in mind that those figures are HOUSEHOLD income. As a single wage earner at or above $100K you are indeed in a small group.

[RCprince]

"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill."
Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr.

[sjslhill]

Exactly

Both parties are in this club....

"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill."
Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr.

[sjslhill]

Thoughts

You may want to ask for pay cut to get below the Obama tax hike..... Your going to pay if your above that $100k mark. Remember you need to help with the social programs. Illegals need health care and all, ect.

Maybe this will increase the boat clubs and people under $100K can buy Neu motors and Castle controllers and Enerland 10S2P packs.....LOL

Jeeze, I make $100K and I'm barely squeaking by. I didn't know I was "rich". No way am I in the upper 5%.

Raising taxes actually reduces total revenues. Reducing taxes increases revenues. Of course, this is to a point, I realize if taxes were 0%, there would be no revenue; conversely if you were taxed at 100% would you go to work in the morning?

Truman cut taxes, revenues went up above prior years (taking into account inflation and population growth).
Kennedy cut taxes, revenues went up above prior years (taking into account inflation and population growth).
Reagan cut taxes, revenues went up above prior years. (taking into account inflation and population growth).
Bush cut taxes, revenues went up above prior years (taking into account inflation and population growth).

Hmmmm..... Is there a pattern here?


How many poor people hire workers?
The "rich" already pay the major portion of the taxes. Taxing them more will only make them go someplace else.

[Dr. Jet]

And yet you are.

Rich?

Only as described by a group of politicians. My newest car is a 2001 PT Cruiser, not a new Royce Silver Shadow or Lambo. I have a 1700 SF house, not a 40-room mansion. Yes, I have a glider (it cost 1/2 of what the Cruiser did). I don't fly around in private jets.

Yet these politicians think I need to be punished for working hard every day because I'm the filthy rich guy. And you clowns fall for this "Tax the Rich" Class-envy rhetoric.

No wonder I'm a right-wing extremist.

Tax the poor!!

[sjslhill]

Get out the drilling hat Obama and Pelosi

Barack Obama's recent overseas trip didn't afford him a bump in the polls, according to a new round of surveys from Quinnipiac University, at a time when offshore oil drilling, which Obama opposes, appeals to an increasing number of Americans.

[RCprince]

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father

[sjslhill]

Interesting

This is going on today as we type......however, people are into too much material things, that's why I get ticked off at the massive changes we made in the R/C Hobby. Some smaller changes would have been better in my opinon. There is no doubt we needed to go LiPoly but we blew things out of the water by going with these massive motors and parallel packs....just my 2 cents. I choose to not race now. that's another subject....

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father

[Dr. Jet]

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father

Never have there been so many brilliant minds in one place, as when Thomas Jefferson dined alone in the White House.

Johnny-Boy and Barry don't have what it takes to lick his boots.

Where are the patriotic Americans?

Dr. Jet for President!!

[RCprince]

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies."
Thomas Jefferson

[RCprince]

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance."
James Madison (1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President