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[Darin Jordan]

You DO oppose everything Obama does! You are so obvious it is laughable. I am not making anything up. You thought everything Bush did was just dandy and yet he lied to you on a regular basis. You are so entrenched into the hatred and misinformation from the Right, the GOP that you are totally blinded. You are like arguing with a rock! Nuf sed.

YOU are COMPLETELY out of your mind... and your head is DEEPLY entrenched... in the SAND! But then, you're a Lib... so that explains a lot...

[domwilson]

part duo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fevga...er_profilepage

They definitely show that the public educational system has failed. We need Healthcare reform to help some of these people get their meds.

[Darin Jordan]

Darin are you talking to me ,

Peter.... No, not really directed at you... just at the topic in general...

The LEFT seems to think that if we don't just go head long into THEIR ideas, that we are racist, and "against anything Obama"... oh, and I guess FOR everything Bush... which is a crock of crap....

But it's a waste of time to argue with people who are entrenched in ideals, and can't comprehend reality, facts, or figures... and historic record, for that matter, and distort everything to fit their ideals...

I've said my peace on this matter... good enough...

[Darin Jordan]

They definitely show that the public educational system has failed.

You'll LOVE this development then...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009873682_grades16m.html

Another BRILLIANT Seattle-Liberal idea...

[domwilson]

You'll LOVE this development then...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009873682_grades16m.html

Another BRILLIANT Seattle-Liberal idea...

Makes that movie "Idiocracy" prophetic. Scarey stuff.

[Flying Scotsman]

Will someone in very plain language and one sentence explain why you do not want universal health care for your citizens?

Douggie

[Darin Jordan]

Will someone in very plain language and one sentence explain why you do not want universal health care for your citizens?

Douggie

That's kind of funny, Douggie... It's a 8" thick, 1000+ page bill... not sure a one-sentence summary would be possible...

[domwilson]

Douggie,

Here is why... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0

[Darin Jordan]

Douggie,

Here is why... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0

As long as the left keeps discounting the REAL and valid concerns from the right, we'll never get anywhere...

The numbers... THEY ARE REAL! Deal with that how you will, but ignoring them isn't a good solution...

As an example... the "First time home buyers" housing credit program that Obama put into place has already cost the country TWICE what they originally projected... 15-BILLION $$$... To give people who were going to buy a house anyhow a bunch of our money... Same with the "Cash for Clunkers" deal...

When they are projecting that this "Reform" will cost 1-Trillion $$$... It's a provable FACT that it's going to cost more... it ALWAYS DOES!

[domwilson]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/10/business/moneywatch/main5230656.shtml

[Flying Scotsman]

That's kind of funny, Douggie... It's a 8" thick, 1000+ page bill... not sure a one-sentence summary would be possible...

Darin, it is easy what do you not like about universal health care

Douggie

[Darin Jordan]

Darin, it is easy what do you not like about universal health care

Douggie

OK Douggie... I know this is a Trojan Horse question... like bait used by the rabid LEFT... but I'll bite...


HIGHER COSTS, LOWER SERVICES, RATIONED HEALTHCARE, REDUCED/NO FREEDOM OF CHOICE, GOVERNMENT CONTROL OVER WHO GETS WHAT...

That's enough right there, but the list goes on...

People thinking that ANYTHING will be run better and/or will be less expensive when run by the Government, is in deep, DEEP denial of the facts and of history and of the present and of many, many things...

[domwilson]

Been doing some reading.
Here is a site with some interesting info.

http://www.allhealth.org/

http://www.newamerica.net/publications/articles/2009/uninsured_me_17639

[Darin Jordan]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5230656.shtml

"Squeeze savings out of Medicare and Medicaid "

Like I said before... if there is 500-BILLION in savings in Medicare/Medicaid fraud and waste cleanup... Let them do that FIRST, before they come to me and tell me they need more $$$...

Same goes for the rest of this...

That's been the point all along!

And

"But as negotiators look for ways to trim health reform's trillion-dollar price tag, the more than $700 billion that's earmarked for subsidies could come under scrutiny. "

$700-BILLION in earmarked subsidies... How about those come under scrutiny NOW!!

The real goal here is getting lost in the rhetoric... Are we trying to REDUCE healthcare costs, or increase the Governements power??? Because you aren't going to be able to do both!

By the way... what was it the Government spent??? Something like 5-Billion $$$ on Cash for Clunkers (administration, etc...) to save $300,000 worth of gas...

[domwilson]

OK Douggie... I know this is a Trojan Horse question... like bait used by the rabid LEFT... but I'll bite...


HIGHER COSTS, LOWER SERVICES, RATIONED HEALTHCARE, REDUCED/NO FREEDOM OF CHOICE, GOVERNMENT CONTROL OVER WHO GETS WHAT...

That's enough right there, but the list goes on...

People thinking that ANYTHING will be run better and/or will be less expensive when run by the Government, is in deep, DEEP denial of the facts and of history and of the present and of many, many things...

Darin, You are aware that they are making changes to the current bill?
The higher costs, lowered services, Rationed Healthcare are pretty much what prompted the desire for Healthcare reform.