California board votes to drop healthcare coverage for 60,000 children

[Bill-SOCAL]

According to the Department of Justice only 17.9% of the total US prison population is Hispanic. So according to Dr. Jet ALL of them are illegals plus a whole bunch of other non-Hispanic illegals apparently.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/pim07.htm

Of the 2.3 million inmates in custody, 2.1 million were men and 208,300 were women (table 9). Black males represented the largest percentage (35.4%) of inmates held in custody, followed by white males (32.9%) and Hispanic males (17.9%).

Estimated number of non-U.S. citizens and juveniles in state custody increased An estimated 96,703 non-U.S. citizens were held in state or federal custody on June 30, 2007, up an estimated 3.7%
from the estimated 93,267 reported to be held in custody on June 30, 2006 (table 12). Three states (Florida, Illinois, and Oregon) not providing data on non-U.S. citizens for midyear 2007 reported holding 8,556 non-U.S. citizens in
custody at midyear 2006.

I'll save you doing the math, non-resident prison population is about 4.2%. Just a tad (28.8%) shy of the 33% Dr. Jet thinks.

But once again let's not get a good racially based rant off track using actual facts.

[Dr. Jet]

Do you have a source for that claim?

Just do a search of the Justice Department or the Government Accounting Office.

Here are some links to news articles:

2007 Data (27%): http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...Statistics.htm
Including GAO figures (again, 2007 data - 27.3%): http://thevirtuousrepublic.com/C2007...0070527161705/

http://www.theamericanresistance.com/articles/art2004jan04.html

http://colorado.mediamatters.org/items/200610240004

http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html

[domwilson]

I can see where Dr. Jet got his info. from. This is from the GAO.

http://immigration.procon.org/sourcefiles/InformationonCriminalAliensIncarceratedinFederalandStatePrisonsandLocalJails.pdf

But back to my original question. Does it really matter? We are talking about children.
They can't be held responsible for the sins of their father. Besides, I didn't see that it said 60,000 illegal alien children.

[Dr. Jet]

I can see where Dr. Jet got his info. from. This is from the GAO.

http://immigration.procon.org/sourcefiles/InformationonCriminalAliensIncarceratedinFederalandStatePrisonsandLocalJails.pdf

But back to my original question. Does it really matter? We are talking about children.
They can't be held responsible for the sins of their father. Besides, I didn't see that it said 60,000 illegal alien children.

My original post was a question: How many of the 60,000 are illegal aliens? My follow-up was: We obviously can not proviode medical for everybody in the world; ergo, a cut-off must be established. I say let the U.S. Taxpayer pay for U.S. Citizens; and let (insert name of crappy third-world hellhole government here) pay for the citizens of (insert name of crappy third-world hellhole here).

Charity begins at home.

[domwilson]

I understand what you're saying. But for the children of (insert name of crappy third-world hellhole here) that are on this side of the border, we should provide care. Not only for ethical reasons, but for our own security as well. Most of these children whose parents are from (insert name of crappy third-world hellhole here) go to american schools with american children. Diseases are not boarder aware. That is where we could probably draw the line there.

[Flying Scotsman]

That is a very good question, you must pay your own way....Taxes??? or private rubbish

Douggie

[Bill-SOCAL]

It is very odd that the GAO and DOJ numbers are so different. I wonder how that happened?

I think I see the reason. Dr. Jet's source concerns ONLY Federal prisoners, the DOJ reports is for ALL prisoners.

So 27% of the Federal prison population are illegal (49,000) while the TOTAL number is around 96,000 out of the total 2,300,000 prison population.

The Federal prion population 207,908 (most recent numbers) or about 9% of the total US prison population. So 33% of that 9% are illegals. So what's the point??

http://www.bop.gov/locations/weekly_report.jsp

Using just the Federal numbers of course makes the situation look worse than it perhaps really is.

[Bill-SOCAL]

My original post was a question: How many of the 60,000 are illegal aliens? My follow-up was: We obviously can not proviode medical for everybody in the world; ergo, a cut-off must be established. I say let the U.S. Taxpayer pay for U.S. Citizens; and let (insert name of crappy third-world hellhole government here) pay for the citizens of (insert name of crappy third-world hellhole here).

Charity begins at home.

You live in a very cruel world, one that I hope never comes to reality. Seriously, you will happily let children suffer because they had the misfortune to be born to illegal immigrant parents.? Wow.

[domwilson]

You live in a very cruel world, one that I hope never comes to reality. Seriously, you will happily let children suffer because they had the misfortune to be born to illegal immigrant parents.? Wow.

My point exactly.

[RMZDADDY]

I for one do not believe in punishing children either.

Maybe I missed it in the article, but are those affected by these changes not eligible for the California medicaid program?

In Iowa, if you earn too much income as a family to qualify for medicaid you can apply for a program (funded in part by private donations) to cover children (not adults). It does require that a small premium be paid by the family receiving coverage.
Is this the type of program that is being cut in California? If so, that means there will be many unfortunate kids caught in the middle, not poor enough to get medicaid, not enough income to afford private insurance.

To me it's a case of what's right and what's wrong. This is WRONG.

[domwilson]

Exactly. There are alot of hard working people who don't qualify for medicaid or medicare. But don't make enough to purchase private insurance.

[Bill-SOCAL]

This grabbed me, from the LA Times article:

As a result of state budget cuts, the Healthy Families program will have to begin terminating coverage for more than 60,000 children on Oct. 1. Nearly 670,000 children could be dropped by June 30.

Now I am pretty sure that not ALL 670,000 children are the offspring of illegal immigrant criminals or lazy white drug addicts, so hopefully even the most cold hearted among us can wonder if maybe we need to look at how we can say we are a civilized society and let this happen.

It's easy to marginalize those that we can somehow attribute undesirable qualities to, but really, these are children, and people can honestly say that it matters what group they fall into??

[domwilson]

Well Bill,
We have been debating with people over a nationalized healthcare system over the last few weeks. You've done an excellent job of myth-busting. But somehow, somewhere, someway, some may be human but have lost their humanity. Favoring money over their fellow man.

[ghostofpf1]

Not understanding this.

I bet you get it now...

Steve

[domwilson]

I'm pretty dense here..explain.