Hey, all you people that don't have a job, I'll be back after vacation to announce my

[domwilson]

More bureaucracy to take away our constitutional rights.
It was once quoted by Benjamin Franklin "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

[m4a1usr]

I'm with ya Dom. I wish I had some examples of Bush's extravagances to post. I'm not leaning towards bashing Obummer. Just pointing out that a family takes care of its own first. And thats what I consider America. A big homogenous group of Citizenry that bleeds together or prospers as a whole. This whole Adminstration Family involvement with internation Politics took off back on the early 1900's. And its taken front stage to where now its accepted as a part of the White House Function. Up until 60 years ago the President was responsible for paying his Staff. Not us the Taxpayers. Once again, without thought or due consideration to burden on the working man, Congress decided it was necessary to not force that upon that position.

We just took that dang turn for the worse by not challenging what law makers force upon the common folk. A Citizen review commitee is whats got to happen to fix our incapable/inadequate/blind/dilerious/self centered/selfish elected officials. Not a National vote, fraught with typical voting issues. We need to be able to turn our elected officials off when they fail to clearly act to the benefit to its population. Too bad tar and feathering is frowned upon. Maybe a 10 million man march on DC with the materials on hand and the determination of righting such wrongfullness is in order? Oh wait. We would have to get the right permits and have an EPA study done as well as DOT
approval of transporting hazardous materials along with a right to gather petition approved by the municipality.

My rant for the day. Still wish I was at the Burger festival this weekend though!

John

[T.S.Davis]

We've been over this before. Government is the problem. "We the people" have no self discipline. We don't respect ourselves or our fellow man. Hence "government" to force us to do the right thing. The "right thing" of course being debated to death by guess who........the government. With out us they don't exist. Unfortunately they....can't be trusted. None of them. They will confiscate our earnings and then argue about where to blow them.........oh, and a little cut for them. They'll even tell us that they'll confiscate a little more of the earnings of "others" so that they don't need as much of ours. Works too. We say "yes please".

Even if Obama had the answers to our economic woes it would have taken time. There isn't some magic switch he could have flipped. If there was, every president would have the exact economy he wanted. I'm no Obama supporter BTW. Obama is a tool IMO. But he didn't single handedly murder our economy.

[domwilson]

Exactly. This is what I mean. Some people in positions of authority or wealth use the average american as a stepping stone to their own personal growth. If you truly work hard to achieve prosperity then you are entitled to it. But if you do it by stepping on people then you deserve nothing less than to be stepped on. Politicians and some heads of major corporations fall in this category. They have sold us down the river to maintain their own personal gains. How much sense does it make to outsource american jobs to sell those products back to America? If we don't have jobs to earn money to buy their products, then where does the money come from? Government entitlements. Companies that outsource jobs should peddle their wares elsewhere. Or tax the heck out of their products until they have to move job back to domestic shores. As consumers, we have that kind of buying power. Fair wages across the board for workers. Just think if the exorbitant salaries were cut from Some CEO's and top managers salaries and applied to hiring more workers. Is it socialism or just fair? I'm not talking redistribution of wealth. I'm talking about a fair chance to succeed. I don't want the government to take care of able bodied people who are too lazy to work. Or a government that intrudes into my personal life or takes from me money that they haven't earned. Just a government that protects the welfare of the people it represents. I think that is pretty much what we all want.

[m4a1usr]

Sorry Dom, keyboards and preception.......one of them was sarcasm for liberal. I am done here.....not meaning to attack anyone. I do think Pelosi, Reed, Obama are very dangerous for our future. It did not happen overnight though, been going on for years

It is in our nature to attempt to explain our arguements using extremes. I am very guilty of it. Guess I'm not well potty trained. But it doesnt mean we cant debate. As long as we try and stay within some form of reason. The snopes article, while accurate regarding the biased trips value, had no available dollar amount to argue its true cost and the whole point of making statements about the ridiculous reporting overshadowed its purpose of questioning why the First Family was allowed to spend ANY amount of money to perform a duty clearly held by our Appointed Officials, whose responsibilty it is to legaly represent the American People and the Administration. At a time when the American People are suffering financial hardship the trip of the First Family to Africa was nothing more then a boon doggle. I dont care what view anyone argues from this was absolutey a slap in the face to us, the Country's Citizens. Even if the cost was a shamefull nickel, a mere 5 cents, this was useless to all except the Adminstration.

I do have a fair handle on what the trip cost and it was well over a $100 million dollars. Knowing whats involved at the required security levels, preperation of strategic materials, placement of screening personel to locations and alternates, infiltration of unknown travel risks. Not to mention the relocation of intelligence assets. It might appear to the average person that this was booked on Travelocity, but you couldnt be farther from the truth.

That is not what tightens my lug nutz. Its the slap in the face to us, all of us, about why this was even needed when in the Offical Adminstration Capacity, there already existed the people to make this trip. I bet you wont see anyone pleaing with Obummer about why the local shelter is being closed down, but his lovely Family got to "Vacation Africa" at taxpayer expense. Why the hungry children in THIS country get to have no options on how much they might get soon. I hope the thought of the Familiy Vacation fills them with warmth although they will still be hungry!

A comment was made recently about the Elite. Well,...........I guess we just got told who are some of the members.

John

[domwilson]

Sorry Dom, keyboards and preception.......one of them was sarcasm for liberal. I am done here.....not meaning to attack anyone. I do think Pelosi, Reed, Obama are very dangerous for our future. It did not happen overnight though, been going on for years

See we half agree. I think they all are dangerous with their brand of politics. They treat the constitution as if it was just a piece of paper written by some senile old folks and the will of the people as a passing fad motivated by the misguided ramblings of spoiled children. Micheal Steele (another person who's politics I don't care for) essentially said both parties have to agree on a "hybrid" position. They both need to find a position that will benefit the people and not their careers or their party's misguided agendas.

[sjslhill]

Sorry Dom, keyboards and preception.......one of them was sarcasm for liberal. I am done here.....not meaning to attack anyone. I do think Pelosi, Reed, Obama are very dangerous for our future. It did not happen overnight though, been going on for years

[domwilson]

William Holder is the criminal, not you. I am amazed by some of your responses, others I am not.

Read this..."Holder is a criminal in my opinon, fast and furious gave guns to criminals.

I guess your one of them......."

How would you interpret that from the other side of a keyboard?

[domwilson]

I do recall people attacking Bush's policies. And from time to time, taking shots at his intellect. Just don't remember people attacking other people for disagreeing with them.
If you have a opinion, stick to it. Present the facts that support your arguments. But I implore you to not attack those who don't agree with you. I'm not a liberal or a conservative.
I don't like big government. I don't like government waste. I believe that everyone should carry their own weight. I also believe that they should be given the opportunities to do so.
That may sound conservative. But the fanaticism on both sides is not representative of both parties true philosophies. It's just rhetoric that serves no purpose other than furthering their own agendas and not the will or the welfare of the people they are supposed to represent. If you have valid concerns and facts, by all means post them. You may find people may agree with you. But labeling people will only change their opinion of you and not support your arguments.

[sjslhill]

William Holder is the criminal, not you. I am amazed by some of your responses, others I am not.

No I'm not a liberal. But if you say I am. I guess I am. So now I'm a liberal criminal.
Why do you attack those that don't agree with you? Do you see a pattern here? You attack Obama personally because you don't like his politics. You attack those that
don't agree with you.

[sjslhill]

Just like the Liberals did with Bush...Oh that's right, it is okay for the Libs to do it but not Conservatives.

[domwilson]

Oh that's right Dom, it was free......the numbers may not be exactly correct but it costs millions. I understand, your a liberal.

No I'm not a liberal. But if you say I am. I guess I am. So now I'm a liberal criminal.
Why do you attack those that don't agree with you? Do you see a pattern here? You attack Obama personally because you don't like his politics. You attack those that
don't agree with you.

[Rumdog]

You sir will stop at nothing to blame the entire demise of the U.S. on Obama. READ THE FREAKIN ARTICLE. What's worse, the pres. taking a trip, or thousands of people believing absolute B.S. propaganda stirred up by CONSERVATIVES to try and further smear the president's name for political gain?

[sjslhill]

Oh that's right Dom, it was free......the numbers may not be exactly correct but it costs millions. I understand, your a liberal.

[domwilson]

Ok we get it. You don't like Obama. But I think a little fact check is in order.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/india.asp

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